Super Six = Styles make unexpected fights - a look back at predictions & reactions

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  1. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Unless you're completely delusional you're starting to feel by now something's wrong on Your end if you wrote down 'overrated' or 'exposed' for the 4th-6th time watching the Super Six World Boxing Classic, and many, many did. They can't be all overrated, underrated, exposed or overlooked at the same time, can they? But simply looking at all the wild and completely opposing thread titles over the past months since S6 started, plus looking how the majority anticipated the given fights and how they turned out to be, it seems boxing fans have a hard time digesting that styles still make fights - and in this case - styles make unexpected fights. I'm gonna write down the a) most popular take on the fights before they started, b) how the fights actually went down and c) what was the common reaction after the fights.

    Kessler-Ward: a) top notch highly defensive straight boxing SMW champion will take untested Ward into deep waters and use superior abiliies to box his way through at distance with the jab for a wide decision or stoppage. b) Ward takes Kessler on the inside, goes Hopkins and dismantles #1 SMW at ease. c) Kessler is overrated, exposed, limited, shot. Ward: P4P-er, top elite talent

    Abraham-Taylor: a) AA steps up in class and weight, too short to box effectively, he's winning a punch fest but not a box match. b) Abraham boxes very well winning more rounds than Hopkins or Froch could vs. Taylor, KO wasn't even necessary to win, Taylor admits he was in best shape ever and not tired. c) Taylor shot, exposed now for any doubters, overrated of he decade, no good. AA's a very good boxer, solid SMW, can close on anyone and finish the job

    Froch-Dirrell: a) these two will go at each other and Froch's experience at brawling will be too much for a green Dirrell to handle. b) Dirrell boxes on the move landing the clean effective punches and winning on most of the fans scorecard. c) Dirrell very good but an anti-boxer who didn't deserve to win, Froch exposed as crude brawler with no skills and hometown judges

    Dirrell-Abraham: a) Dirrell is athletically gifted but with poor balance and that's something powerful sharpshooter AA will use against him to close the show. b) Dirrell shows excellent balance and footwork, and boxes very well on the outside before it getting to the late stages where AA looks to take over and find a KO from behind, but lands a stupid punch for the DQ. c) Abraham exposed, **** vs. movers, has **** output but still very dangerous late, Dirrell is better than what the Froch fight showed

    Froch-Kessler: a) Kessler is past it, but he's still winning the boxing match whereas Froch is winning the brawling match b) Kessler wins the brawling contest over 12 c) Froch beaten at his own game, limited even as a brawler, Kessler isn't shot after all

    Abraham-Froch: a) Abraham doesn't like movers but a brawl favors him because of the better defense, these two only know one way of fighting so it's gonna be a brutal fight and Froch is way too easy to hit and AA is expected to land at one point, and fight's over. b) Froch moves and boxes beautiful all night, takes Abraham to school, wins a technically perfect boxing match. c) Abraham is exposed for good, punching bag, **** boxer, blown up MW, Froch very good boxer, back in the winning mix

    Ward-Bika: a) superbly skilled Ward will school and maybe stop limited brawler Sakio Bika who's made for him. b) Ward barely gets past Bika in a tough fight showing a lot of mistakes on his part, looking worse than green Bute years back. c) Ward exposed, not that good, gifted the decision, can be taken to deep waters and find a lot of success


    The Super Six is great for at least one thing: feed us over and over and over again that styles make fights, and unless you saw everything coming, which I doubt, shows that this sport is varied enough so that styles make unexpected fights. Kessler, Ward, Abraham, Froch and Dirrell of the original at least one point were called by the majority the favorite or one of the favorites, whereas at one other point, exposed, limited. I just wonder what surprises Ward-Abraham and Froch-Johnson have in the store for us, and also if we're gonna learn a valuable lesson of styles and the unexpected. It ain't over till it's over!
     
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  2. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    All hail BigBone! At least some common sense around here... only I'm sure not everyone agrees with you on this one. PS... Where's your avatar gone?
     
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  3. patscorpio

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    excellent post....although the tournament has lost a little luster with half the original super 6 roster gone due to injuries and bs cowardice the super middles have been giving us good/great fights within the past couple years...and we have ward vs abraham and froch vs johnson on the rise..ill def be looking forward to that in the next year

    ward def showed mistakes vs bika and was def getting hit a lot more often..against someone like abraham..i can see abraham knocking him clean out..other than that ward will get the decision..of course if its in oakland lol

    froch-johnson however intrigues me more for some reason..i can't put my finger on it but this fight is going to be something..froch impressed the hell out of me by boxing textbook against abraham however johnson is still the better boxer so i can see froch reverting back to the wild crude style to try to beat johnson....with johnson it all depends if he can keep himself at 168 without drying himself out and/or age slowing him down
     
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  4. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Really good post BB :good

    I see how ''exposed'' and ''shot'' are used throughout.... they need to be ******'d, just like just1n is.
     
    Beeston Brawler, Nov 29, 2010
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  5. Henke67

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    There's definitely been a few surprises. I thought Kessler would be too much, too soon for Ward. The manner in which Ward won caught me totally by surprise.

    The other surprise for me was how easily Froch beat AA. I thought he would win but I expected it to be a tough fight.

    The best thing about this tournament is that a loss isn't that big a deal. If you lose, you have an immediate chance at redemption. This can only help to erase the mind-set which has become prevalent in recent years, that a loss is the end of the world and is irrefutable proof that the loser has been "exposed" or was nothing but a "hype job".

    On the back of the weekends fights, a lot of people think Ward will embarrass Abraham - I think Artur could actually give him a decent fight. I think hell lose, but it won't be another shut-out.
     
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  6. The Mongoose

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    I'm 3-2 on serious predictions.

    -Predicted Abraham late KO over Taylor.
    -Predicted Froch late stoppage over Dirrell. Got close decision instead.

    -Predicted the spoiling Ward to lose ugly disputed decision to Kessler. Ward dominated.
    -Predicated Abraham to stop Dirrell. Dirrell won on DQ after taking most of the rounds.

    -Predicted Kessler to decision Froch.

    Froch/Abraham was a toss up for me.
    Ward/Green not worth a prediction.
     
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  7. Swarmer

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    Abraham's defense is not better than Froch's. Abraham is squared up, vulnerable to jabs up the pipe to the head and body, and to bodyshots on the left and right as well as uppercuts. He has no movement worth a damn. High hands don't mean he has good defense. Froch shows better parrying with the right hand, solid shoulder blocking and covers up most of his vital points, and he has head and upper body movement.

    Ward did not barely get by Bika, a close fight that he led majority rounds in is not close. He did not show a lot of mistakes, except for the fact that he fought Bika's fight when he could have outboxed him comfortably.
     
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  8. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What do you mean? It's still there!
     
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  9. psychoshane

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    Who said Ward/Biki was a gift decision? Most people agree Ward clearly won that fight although it wasn't pretty.
     
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  10. DanishPride

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    Very nice read
     
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  11. dru626

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    man...you are a really Ward nuthugger. Ward as unable to outbox Bika....so Ward is NOT that versatile as you nuthuggers think. Froch stands a very good chance at beating Ward....is the fight is out of Oakland.
     
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  12. Pimp C

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    Great post Big Bone this tourney has been full of surprises.
    I'm 5-2 in my predictions got the Froch-Dirrell, Ward-Kessler, Dirrell-Abraham, Ward-Green and Froch-Abraham fights right. Got the Abraham-taylor and the Froch-Kessler fights wrong.
     
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  13. dru626

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    you got Froch-Dirrell right ??? WTF????
     
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  14. crucialcookie

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    As predictions go....

    I thought froch would beat dirrell, more decisive though ( i had it close and im a froch fan)

    Ward to beat kessler in a close one that many would have said was home cooking.

    And by the AA taylor fight i thought taylor was in the wrong place after the froch fight to go to his back yard and win. I thought taylor would get robbed or stopped but i was pulling for him.

    I thought froch would stop kess late

    Ward would beat green but thought green would do a bit more

    Dirrell to beat AA via UD

    Johnson to do what he did

    Froch to win against AA

    so i think i did alright
     
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  15. MJK

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    very very good post!
     
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