roy jones junior has no trouble. enough said calzaghe beats them all James Toney could get beat by dirrel. depends on what mood he is in benn and eubank could also get beat by dirrel. arthur abraham could upset eubank. he has a similar style to steve collins. kessler could stunn benn the ben of his super middle weight days was a more refined fighter to the middleweight version. anyone one of the super six could stun the middle weight benn gerald mcclellan could get beat by all of them based on his recklessness and lack of discipline in the ring. still fancy him
Jones would beat them all but I give Abraham a good chance of catching him and putting him out. Calzaghe, well, he proved he is able to beat the best out of the super 6 so, yeah he would beat them all. Toney I would make the favourite over everybody but Kessler. Abraham Toney would be a boring boring fight. AA can´t hurt James and James would rarely point because there is very few to counter. Benn and Eubank. Well, I think Kessler is better than both and Abraham is as good. The rest has a chance but I wouldn´t make favourites. I agree with McClellan but I think he has a good chance against Froch, Taylor, Dirrell and Ward. Ottke would beat them all I think. The fight with Dirrell would be a stinker but I think Ottke´s experience would see him come out on top. The rest would get outboxed with Kesselr having the best chance of beating him.
Every 1 of the 90s lot may beat every 1 of the modern lot, the fact someone as average as KEssler is favourate says allot. Edit I didnt see Otkes name, he'd lose a few
Super Six Froch Kessler Dirrell Ward Taylor Abraham 90's Jones Calzaghe Benn Toney Eubank Collins Froch loses to all Kessler beats Collins, possibly Eubank Dirrell maybe beats Collins Ward ???? haven't seen enough of him Taylor loses to all of them Abraham beats Collins, might beat Eubank and Benn ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On the whole I think Toney is very overrated, but stylewise he is all wrong for the guys in the Super Six, and would win most fights by stoppage. Jones stops all of them, with the possible exception of Abraham and Kessler - both would lose wide on points.
Dirrell has a good style against Toney, but fights aren't won onm paper. At this moment in time i have to pick Toney on the basis of him being a proven top level fighter. McCallum was implementing the gameplan but it didn't come to fruition. Dirrell is even more of a pure boxer but Toney was brilliant within his own stylistic limitations, so much so that he has to be favoured, especially against a guy who is early in his career. Collins beats Froch- recognise.
How much fights of you did you see? I saw every single one of them. He got one gift against Reid at the end of his career when he was already badly slipping. He had 2 fights that could have gone either way - Brewer I and Larsen - but all those oher "gifts" were not actually clear wins. Johnson said he got robbed? Watch the fight that was a 8-4 or 9-3 round win for Ottke. Ottke made about 20 title defences, unified two belts, beat former, current and future champs, a good amount of top contenders, he fought all the top fighters a his weight a the time bar Calzaghe - and they did duck each other - and his stable mate Beyer - who he would have decisivly beaten. His reputation is bad because there was no internet - or not enough of it - to disprove the claims of guys like Mitchell and Johnson. Right now Ottke is number 2 smw behind Calzaghe if you judge him from a neutral perspective. Personally I never liked him. He was boring as ****, is a total **** outside of the ring and "made" the bad repuation of Germany. But you have to be fair.
anyone can build up a great record with the right opposition. look at the dane brian nielson, think he beat marcianos record but once he stepped up and fought a shot tyson he got destroyed ottke was a decent but he was an example of whats wrong with modern boxing with all these titles and politics theres at least 10 smws who were better than him in the 90's: the six in have mentioned michael nunn sugar boy malinga steve collins robin reid
Well, aside of Calzaghe and his stablemate he beat the best at smw? How is that picking the right opposition? And he unified two belts. And he was very consistent, stacking up 21 title defences. Sorry, but you are just hating on him because you are used too, like so many, instead of looking at him from a neutral point of view. Ottke was the best defensive smw until now. Very hard to hit, look at the Mitchell fight, Mitchell hits him cleanly the first time in the 12th round which Ottke took off and just coasted since he already knew he had won the fight. What had Ottke going for him? He had a great judge of distance, great footwork, great stamina, good technique, was a very good tactician - look at Brewer II, I think, he just punched at the left arm of Brewer with his right in the beginning, Brewer was barely able to lift it up in the end and Ottke landed his jab and right hand at will - had good hand- and footspeed. When he commited to his punches, which he rarely did, he even had some pop - look at the Mundine KO, or the KD of Tate, who was a top contender then and had a decent chin, or, again, Brewer who was ducked under Ottke´s light punches even when they were only feinted. He was no puncher that´s for sure. Sure he would lose to some of them but he would beat more than 10 of those guys you mentioned. I´m pretty sure of that.
Ottke, despite all the German politics and bad decisions was a clever, resourceful boxer who fought intelligently.
I wonder why everything is reflected to Germany. It´s the promoters who do the ****, not the country, the countrymen or the fighter. Nobody blames America for all the **** Don King pulled off. And there were far, far less debatable decisions and only one real, but this one very very disgusting, cheating than the people will tell you. You just have to watch the fights instead of believing other people.
