Superheavyweight Division

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  1. TommyV

    TommyV Loyal Member banned

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    Anybody in favour of a superheavyweight division being formed in the future? I know there's a lot of divisions already, but I am for the following reason.

    We've seen an increase in the size of heavyweights in the modern era, you've got guys at the top of the division like 6'6" Wlad Klitschko & 6'7" Vitali Klitsckho. Now far enough, they have won titles and earnt there places at the top of the tree because of their talent, although size has contributed.

    But when you see a guy like Nicolay Valuev, at 7'0", or 7'2" depending on what you believe, and around 350lbs, a guy with little talent holding a world title, it makes you wonder whether he's won it purely on size, which I believe he has.

    He's got a huge height and reach advantage over some guys and a huge, and I mean huge weight advantage. I mean if he were to fight somebody like David Haye he'd be pretty much 9 stone heavier, at least. When you see division seperated by 3-5 lbs at times, and usually around 7 or 8, and at most up to 15lbs, I makes you think about how much of an advantage this guys are getting when they can weight 130 odd lbs more and still be in the same division.

    And we're seeing the trend continue, 6'9" Tyson Fury, I mean the guy has talent, but there can and probably will be far more talented guys in the future who don't have as much sucess, because they won't be able to overcome the sheer size of some of these guys.

    You have to ask yourself, would Evander Holyfield of lost to Valuev if he was 6'2 or 6'3"? I doubt it, I mean obviously there's a case for him winning the fight anyway, but I firmly believe if Valuev was a normal 6'3" 240lb heavyweight or whatever, the arguement over who won the fight wouldn't be up for discussion. Now you can argue Valuev would be quicker and so on, but the fact standing as tall as he does now and weighing a much as he does, he isn't quick by any stretch of the imagination. There's countless other guys on his resume who could probably beat him if he wasn't so huge, but the fact is he has done through a combination of a long jab, attributing to his height, being hard to catch on the chin due to his height, and his sheer size as he wears guys out on the inside.

    So as heavyweights continue to grow in size and stature, it becomes more and more unfair for normal sized heavyweight or smaller heavyweights, the guys who can no longer make cruiserweight but find themselves out sized in the heavyweight division.
     
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  2. thesham01

    thesham01 Undisputed Champion Full Member

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    i agree, the point of divisions is the stop size winning fights, and its got to the stage where the ceiling must be raised.....
     
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  3. Monstar

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    i've always been for it, and i still am, though alot of the smaller heavies are just undisciplined fatasses like Povetkin, Ibragimov, Arreola, etc.. those guys if they trimmed up could easily make CW, but still when you got guys that are 6'6 and up, you dont even have to be a B class fighter to get your hands on a title with that kind of size
     
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  4. Boxing Fanatic

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    I would love to see it happen. But, will it ever materialize?
     
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  5. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

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    Problem is that the big guys make more money. If you created another weight class over, say, 240, then all the fatasses who weigh 230 would just gain another 10 pounds and become even bigger fatasses.
     
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  6. TommyV

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    Good point Brickhaus, but then that's there choice. At least by seperating the heavies from the super-heavies, the guys who weigh in at 230 might have a decent chance of picking up a belt. If they want to take the risk of adding of fighting the super-heavies, I guess that's there choice.
     
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  7. Guru_Too_You

    Guru_Too_You ESB OG circa '99 Full Member

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    Havent you all learned the lesson after the cruiserweight division?

    Any more divisions will just further water down the talent AND ADD more belts.
     
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  8. RJD

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    I agree, watering down what's already a weak division is not the way to go imo
     
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  9. lzolnier

    lzolnier Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That is precisely what will happen. In addition, the super heavyweight weight division would further encourage undisciplined fat asses to eat more and train less, just to enter into the heavier division. These slobs would barely be able to trot themselves into the ring and have even less conditioning than they do now. Do we want this?

    There is only one top boxer who can be classified as a natural super heavyweight and that is Valuev. The rest that are over 250lbs are obese, lazy athletes.
     
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  10. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm not in favour of this at all. Smaller heavyweights will always be able to compete if they train properly. The fact that Heavyweights don't want to train so hard anymore isn't a reason to give them a new division. Half of the +250lbs guys are just people with excess fat they should be burning off.
     
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  11. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    When the standard difference between weight classes is on average about seven pounds, and the "unlimited" division has a range of potentially a hundred or more...si, Houston, hay una problema.
     
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  12. TommyV

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    What about down the line though, when you have genuine and natural 260lb guys that are about 7 foot tall?
     
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  13. Guru_Too_You

    Guru_Too_You ESB OG circa '99 Full Member

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    Thats why it used to be the most glamorous title in the world.

    LOL. Weird. We never disagree.
     
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  14. Brickhaus

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    Either they'll be uncoordinated or they'll be playing basketball.
     
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  15. wvucheerjr

    wvucheerjr Active Member Full Member

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    I'm not for a superheavyweight division. I agree with all of your arguments but i'd go the other way around. I'd create maybe a "super cruiserweight" division or something of that nature and possibly change the minimum weight for heavy to 230 or 240, something of that nature. But even if you do that someone like Valuev has a 100lb advantage. I mean what do you make the minimum weight for the S.H. division? Make it too high and you have no one in it (or just huge guys that have no business boxing anyways), make it too low and you can and will still have the extreme size differences.
     
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