Supposing that George Foreman had never existed..?

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  1. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    We've had similar threads re Muhammad Ali and Joe Louis before,so how about one on Big George..! How big would the change be in heavyweight boxing history ? I see some thing like the following - In early 1973 Joe Frazier and Muhammad Ali had their widely anticipated rematch for the heavyweight title. Ali becomes only the second man to regain the heavy crown by outpointing Joe by 9 - 6 in rounds. After the fight Frazier moans about Ali's clinching. A routine defence for Ali against Britain's Joe Bugner follows this in July of that year. Muhammad wins a comfortable 15 round verdict. A shock defeat to a comparative unknown named Ken Norton is an absolute sensation....! The ex sparring partner of Ali's nemesis Frazier wins the title on a 15 round split decision. Muhammad becomes the first THREE time heavyweight champion by narrowly beating Ken in a November rematch. Point I'm making is,that only minor changes would be made to real time in 70's boxing. ??
     
  2. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I forgot to add that Michael Moorer would have been champ until a rematch with Evander Holyfield.
     
  3. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    People all over the world would have higher cholesterol levels.
    Seriously..Joe Frazier would have had a rematch with Ali in 73 and would have lost the crown by a narrow 15 round decision...all other speculations beyond that I haven't worked out yet..
     
  4. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'm not so sure that, in the absence of Foreman, that things would have happened similarly to the way that they actually did back then..for instance Norton breaking Ali's jaw and winning a decision...I wonder if Ali..after regaining the title from Frazier would have allowed himself to enter a title defensae against Norton as woefully out of shape and disinterested as he was in that Mar. '73 12 rounder? Ali had, throughout '72, routinely had been feasting on one victim after the other, and had no idea of what a night Norton would have given him in Mar. '73..Norton was, as Ali himself said at that time.."just another head to beat up on"..so Norton qualifies for a title shot vs Ali in '73...how did he do that? Norton, until he did beat Ali in '73, wasn't even close to being discussed for a title fight..but of course, being that Terry Daniels and Ron Stander had both been granted title fights, then being truly eligible for the opportunity isn't really a prerequisite after all. Maybe, with the title on the line, Ali would have taken Norton more seriously..but still it would have been a miserable evening for him with this nemisis of his.
     
  5. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Maybe Norton would have shocked Ali anyway in a 15 rounder..for the title, and would have taken the crown from Ali...then, their friendship notwithstanding, would Norton have first defended against Frazier before meeting Ali again?
     
  6. punchy

    punchy Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lets not downplay Joe Frazier here, even if he lost a rematch to Ali he may have won it back versus Norton with a second round KO and be considered the greatest of all time.
     
  7. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    Frazier would've probably been the champ for a while until Ali defeats him in a rematch.
     
  8. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

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    In some ways not much would have changed, because his title reigns were both quite short.

    The main thing that would have changed is that Joe Frazier would have been ranked higher, and perhaps even seen as a candidate for the #1 spot.
     
  9. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ali would probably have recaptured the title from Frazier. Holyfield would have probably recaptured the title from Moorer and then eventually lost it to Lennox Lewis...so no Shannon Briggs in the line...and I wouldn't be feeling guilty about still not owning a George Foreman Grill.
     
  10. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

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    Here is an interesting what if?

    What if he dosn't.

    Frazier would probably dictate the venue, rules, and other details. It is not far fetched to imagine him making it 2, 0, which would mean no rubber match unless Ali lnocks over a lot of contenders.

    The ripples from that stone could spread quite far.
     
  11. OBCboxer

    OBCboxer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    We wouldn't have hiarious wars between SuzieQ and Mr. Magoo.

    Seriously though, Frazier likely reigns atleast until 1974, when Ali beats him to recapture the title. Holyfield recaptures the title from Moorer and reigns until Lewis beats him late in the decade.
     
  12. Meast

    Meast New Member Full Member

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    :lol:

    I think they offered the deal to Hulk Hogan first but he turned it down.....who else could they have picked if Big George didn't take it on!
     
  13. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You mean who could they have offered the real deal to? Ummm...oh yeah!!! :p
     
  14. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    By the way, if it had been called the REAL DEAL GRILL, I would definitely own one by now! :D
     
  15. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    THEN we wouldn't have to deal with loudmouth morons like poster Ken Norton.