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  1. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    DEADLINE
    The deadline will be AUGUST 3, 2020 - at 1:00am EST.

    THE SURVEY

    Basically, I need a Top 15 for each of the Original 8 weight classes, and a Top 25 All Time list. 9 lists in total.

    You can alter your list and edit as often as you want up until the deadline. I ask that everyone uses the SAMPLE FORMAT TEMPLATE in the next post. I would like everyone's list laid out exactly like the SAMPLE. Please include first and last names throughout (it will be tremendously helpful). NO TIES! And submissions should be numbered in order, as illustrated in the SAMPLE.

    When the deadline arrives, I'm going to temporarily hide this thread until after the final reveal.

    My plan is to do the reveals as quick short videos initially. So I will begin with Flyweight, and work my way north to Heavyweight, and the 9th edition will be the All Time List. When I release the 10th and final video in the series (which will be a more in-depth piece where I provide some commentary regarding all 9 lists, and play around with them in some different ways). After the final video, I'll un-hide this thread.

    SCORING
    So the scoring system is a "secret" (at least until the first reveal). I've only shared it with @McGrain at this point. And that's NOT to give him any type of unfair advantage. It's just that I've known him longer than anyone else here, and I want people to know I'm not making up the scoring system on the fly - there is a plan in place.

    Part of the reason I'd prefer not sharing it is so that it's a bit of a 'surprise' when I show the final tallies. This is also why I intend to hide the thread when the poll closes. Now, that won't stop anyone from taking screenshots and jumping the gun, but I hope - in the name of fun, that doesn't happen. So I won't be keeping running tallies or anything like that.

    All I will say is that the scoring is weighted and it's designed to create separation.
    A #1 vote is by far the most valuable for points.
    The GAP between a #1 and a #2 is the largest gap. The gaps will begin decreasing as you move down (but not ALWAYS - ie - the gap may not decrease again until a few spots down).

    I've thought about a scoring system very carefully, and while this is unlike anything I've ever used in any previous surveys (boxing and non-boxing alike), I think it is a good way to produce "value" where a #1 pick will be well differentiated from a #5, which itself will be well removed from a #10, etc.

    NOTE - The scoring system for Top 25 is a little different than the Top 15 lists, but it's in the same ballpark, just breaks down differently because of the extra 10 placements, but that is by design. The maximum number of points is identical in both lists.

    REVEALS
    At the deadline, I will close the thread and begin tabulating Flyweights, and try and do a reveal every few days (hoping to do at least 2 a week initially, barring work obligations that disrupt any would be rhythm/momentum). Any incomplete lists at the time of the deadline will be omitted, and the most recent EDIT will be the one that counts.

    Every username that participates in the Survey will be listed in the end-credits of each of the 9 video reveals, and also the 10th and final summary video.

    I'm imagining these will be underway in August, and hopefully finished no later than late September (although, frankly, I already know of a busy work period I have during that duration, so worst case, everything on my end should be complete by early October).

    QUESTIONS & DEBATE
    If anyone has any questions, do not hesitate to ask.
    Likewise, feel free to engage in friendly debate about these lists. I only ask that everyone follows the SAMPLE TEMPLATE so I can easily find the relevant posts I need for my final tabulations.

    I will not be participating in the SURVEY or any related debates, as I'd like to stay on the sidelines where my views aren't acting as an influence on others.

    And I think I've addressed everything I wanted to mention.

    I'm very excited to see how this plays out, and I'm itching to begin crunching numbers when the Survey Closes.

    In advance to everyone who will be participating...

    THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!

    I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING EVERYONE'S LISTS!!!

    :thumbsup:




     
  2. Rumsfeld

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    SAMPLE TEMPLATE

    FLY
    1. Dale Cooper
    2. Harry Truman
    3. Laura Palmer
    4. Audrey Horne
    5. Doc Hayward
    6. Douglas Jones
    7. Sarah Palmer
    8. Jimmy Hurley
    9. Bobby Briggs
    10. Norma Jennings
    11. Shelly Johnson
    12. Ed Hurley
    13. Leo Johnson
    14. Leland Palmer
    15. Lawrence Jacoby

    BANTAM
    1. Dale Cooper
    2. Harry Truman
    3. Laura Palmer
    4. Audrey Horne
    5. Doc Hayward
    6. Douglas Jones
    7. Sarah Palmer
    8. Jimmy Hurley
    9. Bobby Briggs
    10. Norma Jennings
    11. Shelly Johnson
    12. Ed Hurley
    13. Leo Johnson
    14. Leland Palmer
    15. Lawrence Jacoby

    FEATHER
    1. Dale Cooper
    2. Harry Truman
    3. Laura Palmer
    4. Audrey Horne
    5. Doc Hayward
    6. Douglas Jones
    7. Sarah Palmer
    8. Jimmy Hurley
    9. Bobby Briggs
    10. Norma Jennings
    11. Shelly Johnson
    12. Ed Hurley
    13. Leo Johnson
    14. Leland Palmer
    15. Lawrence Jacoby

    LIGHT
    1. Dale Cooper
    2. Harry Truman
    3. Laura Palmer
    4. Audrey Horne
    5. Doc Hayward
    6. Douglas Jones
    7. Sarah Palmer
    8. Jimmy Hurley
    9. Bobby Briggs
    10. Norma Jennings
    11. Shelly Johnson
    12. Ed Hurley
    13. Leo Johnson
    14. Leland Palmer
    15. Lawrence Jacoby

    WELTER
    1. Dale Cooper
    2. Harry Truman
    3. Laura Palmer
    4. Audrey Horne
    5. Doc Hayward
    6. Douglas Jones
    7. Sarah Palmer
    8. Jimmy Hurley
    9. Bobby Briggs
    10. Norma Jennings
    11. Shelly Johnson
    12. Ed Hurley
    13. Leo Johnson
    14. Leland Palmer
    15. Lawrence Jacoby

    MIDDLE
    1. Dale Cooper
    2. Harry Truman
    3. Laura Palmer
    4. Audrey Horne
    5. Doc Hayward
    6. Douglas Jones
    7. Sarah Palmer
    8. Jimmy Hurley
    9. Bobby Briggs
    10. Norma Jennings
    11. Shelly Johnson
    12. Ed Hurley
    13. Leo Johnson
    14. Leland Palmer
    15. Lawrence Jacoby

    LIGHT HEAVY
    1. Dale Cooper
    2. Harry Truman
    3. Laura Palmer
    4. Audrey Horne
    5. Doc Hayward
    6. Douglas Jones
    7. Sarah Palmer
    8. Jimmy Hurley
    9. Bobby Briggs
    10. Norma Jennings
    11. Shelly Johnson
    12. Ed Hurley
    13. Leo Johnson
    14. Leland Palmer
    15. Lawrence Jacoby

    HEAVY
    1. Dale Cooper
    2. Harry Truman
    3. Laura Palmer
    4. Audrey Horne
    5. Doc Hayward
    6. Douglas Jones
    7. Sarah Palmer
    8. Jimmy Hurley
    9. Bobby Briggs
    10. Norma Jennings
    11. Shelly Johnson
    12. Ed Hurley
    13. Leo Johnson
    14. Leland Palmer
    15. Lawrence Jacoby

    ALL TIME BEST
    1. Dale Cooper
    2. Harry Truman
    3. Laura Palmer
    4. Audrey Horne
    5. Doc Hayward
    6. Douglas Jones
    7. Sarah Palmer
    8. Jimmy Hurley
    9. Bobby Briggs
    10. Norma Jennings
    11. Shelly Johnson
    12. Ed Hurley
    13. Leo Johnson
    14. Leland Palmer
    15. Lawrence Jacoby
    16. Pete Martell
    17. Deputy Hawk
    18. Lucy Moran
    19. Josie Packard
    20. Catherine Martell
    21. Benjamin Horne
    22. Jerry Horne
    23. Maddy Ferguson
    24. Hank Jennings
    25. Mike Nelson
     
  3. Rumsfeld

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  4. Rumsfeld

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    NOTE!

    You can copy/paste the blank template above, post it as blank for now, and fill it at your own convenience.

    But I figured having a blank template would be easier than the one filled with TV characters.

    Just PLEASE be sure to use first and last names. THANK YOU!
     
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  5. Jel

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    FLY
    1. Jimmy Wilde
    2. Miguel Canto
    3. Pascual Perez
    4. MIdget Wolgast
    5. Frankie Gennaro
    6. Benny Lynch
    7. Pone Kingpetch
    8. Chartchai Chionoi
    9. Pancho Villa
    10. Masao Oba
    11. Betulio Gonzalez
    12. Hiroyuki Ebihara
    13. Fidel LaBarba
    14. Sot Chitalada
    15. Yuri Arbachakov

    BANTAM
    1. Eder Jofre
    2. Ruben Olivares
    3. Manuel Ortiz
    4. Fighting Harada
    5. Carlos Zarate
    6. Kid Williams
    7. Pete Herman
    8. Panama Al Brown
    9. Rafael Herrera
    10. Lionel Rose
    11. Terry McGovern
    12. Memphis Pal Moore
    13. Chuco Castillo
    14. Johnny Coulon
    15. Bud Taylor

    FEATHER
    1. Willie Pep
    2. Sandy Saddler
    3. Vicente Saldivar
    4. Abe Attell
    5. Salvador Sanchez
    6. Eusebio Pedroza
    7. Alexis Arguello
    8. George Dixon
    9. Terry McGovern
    10. Henry Armstrong
    11. Johnny Kilbane
    12. Young Corbett II
    13. Kid Chocolate
    14. Tony Canzoneri
    15. Azumah Nelson

    LIGHT
    1. Benny Leonard
    2. Roberto Duran
    3. Joe Gans
    4. Ike Williams
    5. Carlos Ortiz
    6. Tony Canzoneri
    7. Pernell Whitaker
    8. Freddie Welsh
    9. Lou Ambers
    10. Joe Brown
    11. Packey McFarland
    12. Barney Ross
    13. Henry Armstrong
    14. Bob Montgomery
    15. Beau Jack

    WELTER
    1. Sugar Ray Robinson
    2. Sugar Ray Leonard
    3. Jose Napoles
    4. Henry Armstrong
    5. Kid Gavilan
    6. Emile Griffith
    7. Mickey Walker
    8. Jack Britton
    9. Barbados Joe Walcott
    10. Barney Ross
    11. Thomas Hearns
    12. Ted Kid Lewis
    13. Luis Rodriguez
    14. Carmen Basilio
    15. Jimmy McLarnin

    MIDDLE
    1. Sugar Ray Robinson
    2. Harry Greb
    3. Carlos Monzon
    4. Marvin Hagler
    5. Stanley Ketchel
    6. Mickey Walker
    7. Bernard Hopkins
    8. Charley Burley
    9. Jake LaMotta
    10. Holman Williams
    11. Freddie Steele
    12. Tommy Ryan
    13. Mike Gibbons
    14. Dick Tiger
    15. Tony Zale

    LIGHT HEAVY
    1. Ezzard Charles
    2. Archie Moore
    3. Gene Tunney
    4. Tommy Loughran
    5. Michael Spinks
    6. Bob Foster
    7. Maxie Rosenbloom
    8. Jimmy Bivins
    9. Harry Greb
    10. Harold Johnson
    11. Matthew Saad Muhammad
    12. Roy Jones
    13. Jack Dillon
    14. Victor Galindez
    15. Bob Fitzsimmons

    HEAVY
    1. Muhammad Ali
    2. Joe Louis
    3. Larry Holmes
    4. Jack Johnson
    5. Rocky Marciano
    6. George Foreman
    7. Joe Frazier
    8. Mike Tyson
    9. Jack Dempsey
    10. Evander Holyfield
    11 Lennox Lewis
    12 Ezzard Charles
    13 Sonny Liston
    14 Vladimir Klitschko
    15 Gene Tunney

    ALL TIME BEST
    1. Sugar Ray Robinson
    2. Henry Armstrong
    3. Willie Pep
    4. Muhammad Ali
    5. Joe Louis
    6. Roberto Duran
    7. Benny Leonard
    8. Ezzard Charles
    9. Harry Greb
    10. Sam Langford
    11. Bob Fitzsimmons
    12. Archie Moore
    13. Sugar Ray Leonard
    14. Joe Gans
    15. Terry McGovern
    16. Mickey Walker
    17. Barney Ross
    18. Tony Canzoneri
    19. Jimmy McClarnin
    20. Gene Tunney
    21. Sandy Saddler
    22. Eder Jofre
    23. Pernell Whitaker
    24. Carlos Monzon
    25. Ruben Olivares
     
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  6. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Thanks @Jel - both for breaking the ice, and perfectly adhering to the format!

    :beer-toast1:
     
  7. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    FLY
    1. Jimmy Wilde
    2. Miguel Canto
    3. Pascaul Perez
    4. Midget Wolgast
    5. Benny Lynch
    6. Peter Kane
    7. Betulio Gonzalez
    8. Masao Oba
    9. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
    10. Jimmy Barry
    11. Horacio Accovallo
    12. Pone Kingpetch
    13. Sot Chitalada
    14. Pancho Villa
    15. Roman Gonzalez

    BANTAM
    1. Eder Jofre
    2. Fighting Harada
    3. George Dixon
    4. Manuel Ortiz
    5. Panama Al Brown
    6. Ruben Olivares
    7. Lionel Rose
    8. Pete Herman
    9. Joe Lynch
    10. Kid Williams
    11. Memphis Moore
    12. Carlos Zarate
    13. Sixto Escobar
    14. Bud Taylor
    15. Terry Mcgovern

    FEATHER
    1. Willie Pep
    2. Sandy Saddler
    3. Vicente Saldivar
    4. George Dixon
    5. Johnny Kilbane
    6. Abe Attell
    7. Salvador Sanchez
    8. Eusebio Pedroza
    9. Henry Armstrong
    10. Alexis Arguello
    11. Kid Chocolate
    12. Freddie Miller
    13. Young Corbett
    14. Terry McGovern
    15. Jim Driscoll

    LIGHT
    1. Benny Leonard
    2. Joe Gans
    3. Roberto Duran
    4. Carlos Ortiz
    5. Jack McAuliffe
    6. Pernell Whitaker
    7. Ike Williams
    8. Tony Canzoneri
    9. Lou Ambers
    10. Joe Brown
    11. Packey McFarland
    12. Freddie Welsh
    13. Frank Erne
    14. Henry Armstrong
    15. Alexis Arguello

    WELTER
    1. Sugar Ray Robisnon
    2. Ray Leonard
    3. Henry Armstrong
    4. Jose Napoles
    5. Jack Britton
    6. Ted Kid Lewis
    7. Barbados Joe Walcott
    8. Floyd Mayweather
    9. Tommy Ryan
    10. Mickey Walker
    11. Kid Gavilan
    12. Emile Griffith
    13. Pernel Whitaker
    14. Barney Ross
    15. Manny Pacquaio

    MIDDLE
    1. Sugar Ray Robinson
    2. Carlos Monzon
    3. Marvin Hagler
    4. Harry Greb
    5. Bernard Hopkins
    6. Bob Fitzsimmons
    7. Mickey Walker
    8. Stanley Ketchell
    9. Charles McCoy
    10. Tommy Ryan
    11. Jake LaMotta
    12. **** Tiger
    13. Charley Burley
    14. Holman Williams
    15. Gennady Golovkin

    LIGHT HEAVY
    1. Ezzard Charles
    2. Archie Moore
    3. Sam Langford
    4. Harry Greb
    5. Michael Spinks
    6. Bob Foster
    7. John Henry Lewis
    8. Tommy Loughran
    9. Bob Fitzsimmons
    10. Gene Tunney
    11. Billy Conn
    12. Roy Jones Jr
    13. Harold Johnson
    14. Jimmy Bivins
    15. Dwight Qawi

    HEAVY
    1. Muhammad Ali
    2. Joe Louis
    3. Lennox Lewis
    4. Rocky Marciano
    5. Larry Holmes
    6. Wladimir Klitschko
    7. Jack Johnson
    8. Jack Dempsey
    9. George Foreman
    10. Joe Frazier
    11. Mike Tyson
    12. Evander Holyfield
    13. Ezzard Charles
    14. Harry Wills
    15. Sam Langford

    ALL TIME BEST
    1. Sugar Ray Robinson
    2. Bob Fitzsimmons
    3. Henry Armstrong
    4. Ezzard Charles
    5. Harry Greb
    6. Sam Langford
    7. Manny Pacquaio
    8. Willie Pep
    9. Muhammad Ali
    10. Roberto Duran
    11. Sugar Ray Leonard
    12. Joe Louis
    13. Benny Leonard
    14. Joe Gans
    15. Archie Moore
    16. Carlos Monzon
    17. Marvin Hagler
    18. Floyd Mayweather
    19. Roy Jones Jr
    20. Thomas Hearns
    21. Pernell Whitaker
    22. Bernard Hopkins
    23. Eder Jofre
    24. Jimmy Wilde
    25. Miguel Canto
     
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  8. Rumsfeld

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    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    FLY
    1. Jimmy Wilde
    2. Miguel Canto
    3. Pascual Perez
    4. Benny Lynch
    5. Midget Wolgast
    6. Frankie Genaro
    7. Pancho Villa
    8. Pone Kingpetch
    9. Chartchai Chionoi
    10. Masao Oba
    11. Hiroyuki Ebihara
    12. Horacio Accavallo
    13. Willie Davies
    14. Sot Chitalada
    15. Roman Gonzalez

    BANTAM
    1. Eder Jofre
    2. Fighting Harada
    3. Ruben Olivares
    4. Manuel Ortiz
    5. Carlos Zarate
    6. Panama Al Brown
    7. Pete Herman
    8. Lionel Rose
    9. Kid Williams
    10. Rafael Herrera
    11. Memphis Pal Moore
    12. Terry McGovern
    13. George Dixon
    14. Chuco Castillo
    15. Joe Lynch

    FEATHER
    1. Willie Pep
    2. Sandy Saddler
    3. Salvador Sanchez
    4. George Dixon
    5. Vicente Saldivar
    6. Abe Attell
    7. Eusebio Pedroza
    8. Alexis Arguello
    9. Henry Armstrong
    10. Terry McGovern
    11. Young Corbett II
    12. Kid Chocolate
    13. Azumah Nelson
    14. Tony Canzeroni
    15. Erik Morales

    LIGHT
    1. Joe Gans
    2. Benny Leonard
    3. Packey McFarland
    4. Roberto Duran
    5. Pernell Whitaker
    6. Ike Williams
    7. Carlos Ortiz
    8. Tony Canzeroni
    9. Lou Ambers
    10. Freddie Walsh
    11. Henry Armstrong
    12. Beau Jack
    13. Joe Brown
    14. Sammy Mandell
    15. Sammy Angott

    WELTER
    1. Sugar Ray Robinson
    2. Sugar Ray Leonard
    3. Jack Britton
    4. Kid Gavilan
    5. Henry Armstrong
    6. Emile Griffith
    7. Barney Ross
    8. Jose Napoles
    9. Barbados Joe Walcott
    10. Tommy Hearns
    11. Floyd Mayweather Jr
    12. Ted Kid Lewis
    13. Mickey Walker
    14. Luis Rodriguez
    15. Tommy Ryan

    MIDDLE
    1. Carlos Monzon
    2. Harry Greb
    3. Marvin Hagler
    4. Sugar Ray Robinson
    5. Stanley Ketchel
    6. Bernard Hopkins
    7. Mike Gibbons
    8. Charley Burley
    9. Holman Williams
    10. Tommy Ryan
    11. Jake Lamotta
    12. **** Tiger
    13. Bob Fitzsimmons
    14. Nonpareil Jack Dempsey
    15. Gennady Golovkin

    LIGHT HEAVY
    1. Ezzard Charles
    2. Archie Moore
    3. Harry Greb
    4. Sam Langford
    5. Tommy Laughran
    6. Gene Tunney
    7. Michael Spinks
    8. John Henry Lewis
    9. Bob Foster
    10. Jimmy Bivins
    11. Harold Johnson
    12. Roy Jones Jr
    13. Jack Delaney
    14. Matthew Saad Muhammad
    15. Tommy Gibbons

    HEAVY
    1. Joe Louis
    2. Muhammad Ali
    3. Rocky Marciano
    4. Lennox Lewis
    5. Jack Johnson
    6. Joe Frazier
    7. Larry Holmes
    8. George Foreman
    9. Wladimir Klitschko
    10. Mike Tyson
    11. Evander Holyfield
    12. Sonny Liston
    13. Harry Wills
    14. Jim Jeffries
    15. Jack Dempsey

    ALL TIME BEST
    1. Sam Langford
    2. Harry Greb
    3. Sugar Ray Robinson
    4. Henry Armstrong
    5. Bob Fitzsimmons
    6. Ezzard Charles
    7. Joe Louis
    8. Joe Gans
    9. Muhammad Ali
    10. Archie Moore
    11. Willie Pep
    12. Benny Leonard
    13. Mickey Walker
    14. Roberto Duran
    15. Barney Ross
    16. Sugar Ray Leonard
    17. Floyd Mayweather
    18. Manny Pacquiao
    19. Packey McFarland
    20. Jimmy Wilde
    21. Pernell Whitaker
    22. Roy Jones Jnr
    23. Sandy Saddler
    24. Bernard Hopkins
    25. Gene Tunney

    I still have a lot of work to do and I’m super busy with work, but I’ll keep updating and refining as and when I can
     
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  10. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Thanks! And you have plenty of time.
     
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    George Crowcroft Pimp C's Full-Time Tutor blocked Full Member

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    FLY
    1. Jimmy Wilde
    2. Miguel Canto
    3. Midget Wolgast
    4. Pascual Perez
    5. Frankie Genaro
    6. Fidel LaBarba
    7. Pancho Villa
    8. Benny Lynch
    9. Newsboy Brown
    10. Izzy Schwartz
    11. Masao Ohba
    12. Pone Kingpetch
    13. Willie Davis
    14. Peter Kane
    15. Hiroyuki Ebihara

    BANTAM
    1. Rubén Olivares
    2. Éder Jofre
    3. Manuel Ortiz
    4. Terry McGovern
    5. Fighting Harada
    6. Panama Al Brown
    7. Memphis Pal Moore
    8. Pete Herman
    9. Kid Williams
    10. Carlos Zárate
    11. Lionel Rose
    12. Joe Lynch
    13. Rafael Herrera
    14. Lupé Pintor
    15. Chucho Castillo

    FEATHER
    1. Willie Pep
    2. Sandy Saddler
    3. Vicenté Saldívar
    4. Salvador Sánchez
    5. Abe Attell
    6. Eusebio Pedroza
    7. Johnny Killbane
    8. Ernesto Marcel
    9. George Dixon
    10. Alexis Arguello
    11. Young Corbett II
    12. Terry McGovern
    13. Freddie Miller
    14. Johnny Dundee
    15. Jim Driscoll

    LIGHT
    1. Benny Leonard
    2. Roberto Durán
    3. Packey McFarland
    4. Joe Gans
    5. Carlos Ortiz
    6. Ike Williams
    7. Tony Canzoneri
    8. Freddie Welsh
    9. Beau Jack
    10. Lou Ambers
    11. Henry Armstrong
    12. Pernell Whitaker
    13. Sammy Angott
    14. Willie Joyce
    15. Bob Montgomery

    WELTER
    1. Sugar Ray Robinson
    2. Henry Armstrong
    3. Sugar Ray Leonard
    4. Jack Britton
    5. Emile Griffith
    6. Kid Gavilán
    7. Ted Kid Lewis
    8. Jimmy McLarnin
    9. Luis Rodriguez
    10. José Napoles
    11. Barney Ross
    12. Mickey Walker
    13. Charley Burley
    14. Fritzie Zivic
    15. Carmen Basilio

    MIDDLE
    1. Harry Greb
    2. Sugar Ray Robinson
    3. Carlos Monzon
    4. Marvin Hagler
    5. Bob Fitzsimmons
    6. Bernard Hopkins
    7. Jake LaMotta
    8. Holman Williams
    9. Dick Tiger
    10. Freddie Steele
    11. Frank Klaus
    12. Teddy Yarosz
    13. Stanley Ketchel
    14. Emile Griffith
    15. Tommy Gibbons

    LIGHT HEAVY
    1. Ezzard Charles
    2. Archie Moore
    3. Harry Greb
    4. Gene Tunney
    5. Tommy Loughran
    6. John Henry Lewis
    7. Michael Spinks
    8. Jimmy Bivins
    9. Philadelphia Jack O'Brian
    10. Maxie Rosenbloom
    11. Harold Johnson
    12. Jack Delaney
    13. Matthew Saad Muhammad
    14. Billy Conn
    15. Roy Jones Jr

    HEAVY
    1. Muhammad Ali
    2. Joe Louis
    3. Larry Holmes
    4. Lennox Lewis
    5. George Foreman
    6. Wladimir Klitschko
    7. Evander Holyfield
    8. Joe Frazier
    9. Rocky Marciano
    10. Sonny Liston
    11. Mike Tyson
    12. Ezzard Charles
    13. Jack Johnson
    14. Riddick Bowe
    15. Floyd Patterson

    ALL TIME BEST
    1. Harry Greb
    2. Sam Langford
    3. Henry Armstrong
    4. Ezzard Charles
    5. Sugar Ray Robinson
    6. Muhammad Ali
    7. Roberto Duran
    8. Benny Leonard
    9. Bob Fitzsimmons
    10. Archie Moore
    11. Tony Canzoneri
    12. Barney Ross
    13. Sugar Ray Leonard
    14. Willie Pep
    15. Packey McFarland
    16. Joe Louis
    17. Terry McGovern
    18. Jimmy McLarnin
    19. Jimmy Wilde
    20. Joe Gans
    21. Gene Tunney
    22. Tommy Loughran
    23. Sandy Saddler
    24. Carlos Ortiz
    25. Holman Williams
     
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  12. McGrain

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    :lol: you made it all the way to the 11th post @Rumsfeld
     
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    Why, did I get it wrong?
     
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  14. Rumsfeld

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    I mean, as long as it's numbered sequentially, I'm not going to DQ it. :lol:

    But honestly, if it's not too much trouble, I'd ideally prefer things exactly like @Jel and @lufcrazy posted it, as it will help me find a better rhythm tabulating everything.

    And - I ABSOLUTELY prefer partial lists to be laid out exactly like @Webbiano began his list. It all needs to be in one post, I can't have people posting 1 division here, and another division there, etc.

    If it's a pain, don't worry about the order for now. Just make sure all of your lists are in the same post for now, even incomplete portions. But I do need them numbered sequentially, even if the order is reversed for the time being.
     
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    FLY
    1.Miguel Canto
    2.Jimmy Wilde
    3.Pascual Perez
    4.Midget Wolgast
    5.Frankie Genaro
    6.Benny Lynch
    7.Chartchai Chionoi
    8.Pancho Villa
    9.Pone Kingpetch
    10.Masao Oba
    11.Willie Davies
    12.Hiroyuki Ebihara
    13.Horacio Accavallo
    14.Sot Chitalada
    15.Betulio Gonzalez

    BANTAM
    1.Ruben Olivares
    2.Manuel Ortiz
    3.EderJofre
    4.Fighting Harada
    5.Pete Herman
    6.Lionel Rose
    7.Memphis Pal Moore
    8.Kid Williams
    9.Panama Al Brown
    10.Carlos Zarate
    11.Rafael Herrera
    12.Bud Taylor
    13.Joe Lynch
    14.Johnny Coulon
    15.Chucho Castillo

    FEATHER
    1.Willie Pep
    2.Sandy Saddler
    3.Vicente Saldivar
    4.George Dixon
    5.Abe Attell
    6.Salvador Sanchez
    7.Freddie Miller
    8.Johnny Kilbane
    9.Eusobio Pedroza
    10.Alexis Arguello
    11.Young Corbett II
    12.Terry McGovern
    13.Henry Armstrong
    14.Tony Canzoneri
    15.Kid Chocolate

    LIGHT
    1.Joe Gans
    2.Benny Leoanrd
    3.Roberto Duran
    4.Pernell Whitaker
    5.Packey McFarland
    6.Carlos Ortiz
    7.Ike Williams
    8.Freddie Welsh
    9.Tony Canzoneri
    10.Lou Ambers
    11.Joe Brown
    12.Sammy Mandell
    13.Jack McAuliffe
    14.Franke Erne
    15.Kid Lavigne

    WELTER
    1.Ray Robinson
    2.Ray Leonard
    3.Jack Britton
    4.Jose Napoles
    5.Emile Griffiths
    6.Henry Armstrong
    7.Kid Gavilan
    8.Tommy Hearns
    9.Floyd Mayweather
    10.Ted "Kid" Lewis
    11.Tommy Ryan
    12.Joe Walcott
    13.Jackie Fields
    14.Mickey Walker
    15.Barney Ross

    MIDDLE
    1.Harry Greb
    2.Carlos Monz
    3.Marvin Hagler
    4.Ray Robinson
    5.Stanley Ketchel
    6.Mike Gibbons
    7.Bernard Hopkins
    8.Charley Burley
    9.Tommy Ryan
    10.Holman Williams
    11.Freddie Steele
    12.Jake LaMotta
    13.**** Tiger
    14.Bob Fitzsimmons
    15.Jack Dempsey

    LIGHT HEAVY
    1.Ezzard Charles
    2.Archie Moore
    3.Harry Greb
    4.Gene Tunney
    5.Mike Spinks
    6.Tommy Loughran
    7.John Henry Lewis
    8.Bob Foster
    9.Jimmy Bivins
    10.Matthew Saad Muhammad
    11.Harold Johnson
    12.Tommy Gibbons
    13.Roy Jones
    14.Jack Delaney
    15.Maxie Rosenbloom

    HEAVY
    1.Muhammad Ali
    2.Joe Louis
    3.Rocky Marciano
    4.Lennox Lewis
    5.Joe Frazier
    6.George Foreman
    7.Larry Holmes
    8.Sonny Liston
    9.Evander Holyfield
    10.Mike Tyson
    11.JackJohnson
    12.Wladimir Klitschko
    13.Harry Wills
    14.Jack Dempsey
    15.Jim Jeffries

    ALL TIME BEST
    1.Sam Langford
    2.Harry Greb
    3.Ray Robinson
    4.Henry Armstrong
    5.Ezzard Charles
    6.Bob Fitzsimmons
    7.Muhammad Ali
    8.Joe Louis
    9.Joe Gans
    10.Roberto Duran
    11.Benny Leonard
    12.Willie Pep
    13.Mickey Walker
    14.Barney Ross
    15.Archie Moore
    16.Ray Leonard
    17.Floyd Mayweather
    18.Manny Pacquiao
    19.George Dixon
    20.Terry McGovern
    21.Pernell Whitaker
    22.Packey McFarland
    23.Tony Canzoneri
    24.Jimmy McLarnin
    25.Sandy Saddler
     
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