SURVEY CLOSED

I'll do some reading, and watch some fights, and try and cover my blindspots, if I feel I've know enough I'll try and do some lists before it's over.

 

What a rookie mistake this was.

 

I'm going to put together some shortlists, I'm intentionally not following the format until I have lists I'm happy with, at which point I will put them into the right format.

I haven't finished writing out the names yet, so just ignore the lists at this stage, it's just notes for myself that I want to build to be fairly inclusive, then start trimming down and ordering. For the lighter weights I'll have to have a look at other peoples lists so I know the key people to look into, but I'll only do the lists if I feel I have researched everyone that deserves included enough to actually have my own opinions on them.

 

I understood Rummy wanted all divisions ranked? BTW I am a big fan of Mr Rumsfeld's work.

 

Well you are not only narrow-minded but you have problems with your eyes/ can't read obviously. Or you just lie out of reflex constatly as you are not able to be honest...
I have Ali in my top 10!!!
Both Walker and Robinson were in Welterweight at their best and Tiger at Light-Heavyweight. Papp dominated for 8 - 12 years in division.
Abraham has just a lot more achieved than Giardello, Toney and arguable Flowers (has some more defences) and won every fight comfortable there, in opposite to the rest (not 29 defeats, which are 25 - 30 percent of the fights).

Grigorian has 17 titles-defences (record of the division) and besides Leonard the longest reign. He only was once defeated by an all time great, when he was semi-retired for one year.

Leonard is on the border of my top 10, but he lost against a blown up lightweight brawler in one of his first defences and I have to had Hearns higher, as he was outboxing him and was more impressive.

Becauce you are biased as hell and live in your Boris Johnson Universe, as you can't accept merits from different cultur circles and be ignorant to everything which is different for you.

When you pretend this is the worst list you have seen in the 16 years of your life, it only shows you are either a notorious dirty liar or you have alzheimer in the endgame. There were even in the past week in this section a lot of horrible rankings made here...[/QUOTE]
Correction to my previous post.
You have Ali at no 10 still absolutely ridiculous,as is the fact that you spelt his name wrong!

 

Do you think he just meant someone else? It's entirely possible.

 

Okay, then I just might make room for Max Klitschko as he looks too much like his father. An athletic kid who was named after Max Schmleing ( age 15 ) it's only a matter of time until he switches from swimming to boxing.

 

That made me genuinely laugh out loud!

 

As it's him ,it's very possible!

 

@Ra's Al-Ghul Why didn't you include Young Mitchell and Oliver Kirk?

 

Oliver Hardy and Captain Kirk would make more sense than some of his picks.

 

Matt, could you please explain this choice? I know very little about Perez's comp, and everyone else seems to regard him much higher than I. He looks fantastic on film and was dominant, but is there more to it that I'm missing?

Thank you kindly.

 

FLY
1. Jimmy Wilde
2. Pancho Villa
3. Miguel Canto
4. Pascual Perez
5. Frankie Genaro
6. Midget Wolgast
7. Benny Lynch
8. Fidel LaBarba
9. Fighting Harada
10. Betulio Gonzalez
11. Peter King
12. Pone Kingpetch
13. Santos Laciar
14. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
15. Mark Johnson

BANTAM
1. Eder Jofre
2. Carlos Zarate
3. Ruben Olivares
4. Terry McGovern
5. Manuel Ortiz
6. Panama Al Brown
7. George Dixon
8. Kid Williams
9. Pete Herman
10. Fighting Harada
11. Joe Lynch
12. Sixto Escobar
13. Rafael Marquez
14. Memphis Pal Moore
15. Johnny Coulan

FEATHER
1. Willie Pep
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Sandy Saddler
4. Salvador Sanchez
5. Alexis Arguello
6. Kid Chocolate
7. Abe Attell
8. Johnny Kilbane
9. Johnny Dundee
10. Vincente Saldivar
11. George Dixon
12. Jim Driscoll
13. Freddie Miller
14. Euesbio Pedroza
15. Baby Arizmendi


LIGHT
1. Roberto Duran
2. Joe Gans
3. Benny Leonard
4. Ike Williams
5. Pernell Whitaker
6. Henry Armstrong
7. Tony Canzoneri
8. Barney Ross
9. Carlos Ortiz
10. Alexis Arguello
11. Julio Cesar Chavez
12. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
13. Patty McFarland
14. Shane Mosley
15. Battling Nelson


WELTER
1. Ray Robinson
2. Ray Leonard
3. Tommy Hearns
4. Henry Armstrong
5. Jose Napoles
6. Kid Gavilan
7. Barney Ross
8. Emile Griffith
9. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
10. "Barbados" Joe Walcott
11. Jack Britton
12. Jimmy McLarin
13. Ted "Kid" Lewis
14. Carmen Basillo
15. Tito Trinidad

MIDDLE
1. Marvin Hagler
2. Carlos Monzon
3. Harry Greb
4. Sugar Ray Robinson
5. Bernard Hopkims
6. Mickey Walker
7. Bob Fitzimmons
8. Dick Tiger
9. Stanley Ketchel
10. Jake LaMotta
11. Charley Burley
12. Marcel Cerdan
13. Tiger Flowes
14. Freddie Steele
15. Tony Zale

LIGHT HEAVY
1. Ezzard Charles
2. Sam Langford
3. Archie Moore
4. Michael Spinks
5. Bob Foster
6. Gene Tunney
7. Billy Conn
8. Roy Jones Jr.
9. Harold Johnson
10. Tommy Loughran
11. Jimmy Bivins
12. John Henry Lewis
13. Matthew Saad Muhammad
14. Dwight Muhammad Qawi
15. Victor Galindez

HEAVY
1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Larry Holmes
4. George Foreman
5. Sonny Liston
6. Lennox Lewis
7. Evander Holyfield
8. Joe Frazier
9. Rocky Marciano
10. Mike Tyson
11. Jack Dempsey
12. Wladamir Klitchsko
13. Jack Johnson
14. Jim Jefferies
15. Harry Wills

ALL TIME BEST
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Sam Langford
4. Muhammad Ali
5. Roberto Duran
6. Harry Greb
7. Ezzard Charles
8. Joe Louis
9. Willie Pep
10. Sugar Ray Leonard
11. Archie Moore
12. Joe Gans
13. Benny Leonard
14. Barney Ross
15. Tommy Hearns
16. Eder Jofre
17. Jimmy Wildie
18. Bob Fitzimmons
19. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
20. Mickey Walker
21. Tony Canzanori
22. Roy Jones Jr.
23. Alexis Arguello
24. Michael Spinks
25. Marvin Hagler

I hope I am not too late @Rumsfeld