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Whaddaya know

Hearns has made the cut now.

 

I'm guessing those with C have completed their lists? Does this mean they are now set in stone?
Well, I've just finished, but will probably continue tweaking up until the deadline, if that's okay.
I'm pretty happy with my efforts. I've been compiling them for about two and a half years, but obviously continue to learn from the more experienced posters here, as time goes on. As I said before, if you think I'm just a clown then just give my contributions a less significant weighting, or completely disregard them, as you see fit. I won't be offended. Just pleased to take part.
Thank you.

 

@mcvey @Mendoza @choklab @janitor @Seamus

Get in here and put your lists up

 

Whether people agree or disagree with them, that's a list of truly knowledgeable posters who really back up their opinions and arguments. Good shout out.

 

Tbf, I find the majority of posters in classic are good.

You have to have some nerd level of obsession with boxing to dedicate your time to debating fighters from 100 years ago lol.

 

At risk of being rude, I'll add two more names: Shout out to @surfinghb1 , just because he's the poster with whose opinions I most frequently agree. And @Flea Man because his knowledge of the lower weights and, almost certainly beyond, is absolutley ridiculous compared to most.

 

George, have consistently liked your posts since I joined, and agree with your analysis on many fights, and fighters, so looking at your Welter list, am somewhat surprised to see Rodriguez rated so high ! above luminaries such as Napoles, Basilio, Burley, I mean he didn,t manage 1 defense of the title, was beaten 13 times overall, granted he beat some good fighters along the way, Briscoe, Manning, to name a few, but he lost to Cokes twice, hope you dont see this as me getting out of my pram, as I respect a lot of what you say/write.

 

I like your posts to!

IMO, Rodriguez is truly brilliant. And going off his résumé at welterweight, I'd say he's definitely above Basilio and Burley. Burley's main achievements are getting ducked by Robinson, and beating Zivic at 147. Rodriguez on the other hand, has wins over Paret, Akins, Griffith, Cokes, Moyer ect; and his losses are either controversial, or whilst he was struggling to make weight. And the one where he wasn't (Cokes I iirc) he was in with someone real good.

Basilio is a favourite of mine, but his résumé isn't too deep at 147, with his best win coming at MW. Ortega, DeMarco, Saxton and an aging Graham aren't something to scoff at (obviously, since I have him top 15). Luis' is clearly better IMO.

Napoles could be argued over him due go his title reign, but I went for Rodriguez coz he beat a much better version of Griffith, and has a deeper résumé. I also pick Rodriguez to beat Napoles H2H.

 

My latest edit saw LMR ommited from my top 15!

 

Now it's going to look like I'm piling in @George Crowcroft! I had noticed Rodriguez at no. 9 but hadn't realised Napoles was one place beneath. I have Napoles at 3, which is obviously high up, but I feel he has a good case. I have Rodriguez at 13 by way of comparison.

Also, just wondering about McLarnin being above Barney Ross at welterweight. I'm not sure I'm clear on that one.

I mean, we've got 12 of the same names in our top 15 so we're mostly talking about positioning here rather than disagreeing about names...

 

McLarnin's run from Petrolle III, to his fight with Ambers, was outstanding IMO. His wins over Petrolle, Corbett, Ross, Canzoneri, Fuller and Ambers is better than Ross' work at 147 IMO. Although I rate Ross higher P4P - due to his superior work at 135/140 - at 147, I like Jimmy's better résumé, and I've never really counted for losses.

 

FLY
1. Jimmy Wilde
2. Miguel canto
3. Frankie Genaro
4.pancho villa
5. Paschal Perez
6. Jackie Patterson
7. Midget Wolgast
8. Fidel LaBarba
9. Sot chitalada
10. Benny Lynch
11. Duke mckenzie
12. Runty Monaghan
13. Peter Kane
14. Charlie Magri
15. Terry Allen

BANTAM
1 Eder Joffre
2 Ruben olivares
2.manuel Ortiz
3. Pete Herman
4. Fighting Harada
5. Rafael Marquez
6. Orlando Canizales
7. Wayne Mccullogh
8. Tim Austin
9. Paulie Alyala
10. Panama Al Brown
11. Lionel Rose
12. Kid Williams
13. Memphis pal moore
14. Johnny coupon
15. Chucho Castillo

FEATHER
1. Willie Pep
2. Sandy Sadler
3. sanchez
4. Pedroza
5. Azuhma Nelson
6. Kid chocolate
7. Marco Antonio Barrera
8 Freddie Miller
9 Prince Naseem Hamed
10 Scott Harrison
11 jef Fenech
12 Barry Mcguigan
13 paul hodkinson
14 nel Tarlington
15 seaman Tommy Watson
LIGHT
1. Roberto Duran
2. Alexis Arguello
3. Benny Leonard
4 Joe Gans
5 Tony canzoneri
6 Carlos Ortiz
7 Ike Williams
8 julio cesar chavez
9 Joe Brown
10 Jimmy Carter
11 Ken Buchanan
12. Sammy Angott
13. Lou Ambers
14. Sammy Mandell
15. Jack kid Berg

WELTER
1. Ray Robinson
2. Ray Leonard
3. Jose Napoles
4. Barney Ross
5. Henry Armstrong
6. Carmen Basilio
7. Don Curry
8. Ted Kid Lewis
9. Emile Griffith
10. Fritzie Zivic
11. Carlos Palomino
12. Pernell Whitaker
13. Marlon Starling
14. Floyd Mayweather
15. Lloyd honeyghan

MIDDLE
1. Marvin Hagler
2. Carlos monzon
3. Sugar Ray Robinson
4. Harry Greb
5. Micky Walker
6. Freddie Steele
7. Tony Zale
8. bob Fitzsimmons
9. Stanley Ketchel.
10. Jake Lamotta
11. Fred Apostoli
12. Bernard Hopkins
13. Paul pender
14. Marcel cerdan
15. Dick Tiger

LIGHT HEAVY
1. Archie Moore
2. Harold Johnson
3. Michael Spinks
4. Bob Foster
5. Tommy Laughran
6. Joey Maxim
7.philedelphia Jack O’Brien
8. Roy Jones
9. John Conteh
10. maxy Rosenbloom
11. Mathew Sadd Muhammad
12. Jack Delaney
13. George’s Carpenter
14. Gus Lesnavich
15. Tommy Gibbons

HEAVY
1. joe Louis
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Rocky Marciano
4. Larry Holmes
5. Jack Dempsey
6. Jack Johnson
7. Lennox Lewis
8. Joe Frazier
9. Jim Jeffries
10. Mike Tyson
11. Wlad Klitschko
12. Foreman
13. Schmeling
14. Charles
15. Liston

ALL TIME BEST
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Willie Pep
3. Ezzard Charles
4. Joe Louis
5. Sam Langford
6. Harry Greb
7. Muhammad Ali
8 Henry Armstrong
9 Archie Moore
10 Julio Cesar Chavez
11 Marvin Hagler
12Thomas Hearns
13 Roberto Duran
14 Carlos Monzon
15 Alixis Arguello
16 sugar Ray Leonard
17 Jack Johnson
18 Bob Fitzsimmons
19 Gene Tunney
20 George’s carpentier
21 Larry Holmes
22 jimmy wilde
23 joe Calzaghe
24 Oscar De La Hoya
25 Tony Canzoneri

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@choklab Nice lists. Very high rating of Georges Carpentier, could you explain that a bit? You missed Tunney in the L. Heavyweight rankings BTW (which I premuse was an oversight since you rated him P4P)