Survey Results - Top 10 P4P in Each Decade (Update - 1990s Results Released)

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  1. Noel857

    Noel857 I Am Duran Full Member

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    Just out of personal interest could you tell me how Beau Jack and Bob Montgomery fared please Rummy
     
  2. Rumsfeld

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    If memory serves, I believe Jack was 12th behind Billy Conn.

    I will check both later tonight and confirm where they each placed.

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  3. Noel857

    Noel857 I Am Duran Full Member

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    Thanks a lot
     
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  4. Greg Price99

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    Thanks again Rummy for running this interesting project & for another excellent video.

    Though I had them in a different order, I felt when ranking them that the top 4 were a lock, and the gap in points from 4th to 5th, suggests this was the consensus view, too.

    I feel Jimmy Bivins, who I ranked #6 for the decade, is unlucky not to make the top 11. His paper record of 72-17-1 for contests occurring in the 1940's isn't great, but a lot of those defeats came towards the end of the decade when he past his prime & he went on a 25-0-1 run between 1942 & 1946.

    Bivins win resume during the decade is absurdly great & includes Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, Charley Burley (all 3 of whom make the top 10 for the decade), Lloyd Marshall x 2, Teddy Yarosz, the 13-15lbs heavier Lee Q Murray x 2, 19.5 lbs heavier Lee Savold, Gus Lesnevich, Anton Christoforidis x 2, Oakland Billy Smith, Billy Soose, Joey Maxim, Tami Maurillo x 2, Nate Bolden, Mellino Bettina & Bob Pastor.

    That is vastly, vastly superior to LaMotta's record in the decade.
     
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  5. Fogger

    Fogger Father, grandfather and big sports fan. Full Member

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    Top notch Rummy! I will be participating in the rest of them as I feel I won't just be guessing or going with generic answers. For me the only real surprise of the 1940s was that Ezzard Charles was left off of one of the ballots. Thanks for your video.
     
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  6. Rumsfeld

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    Sorry. Forgot all about this. Will try to remember to report back next time I'm at my work station.
     
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    Jack was #12 (737 points), Montgomery was #14 (552).

    11. Billy Conn 756
    12. Beau Jack 737
    13. Tony Zale 695
    14. Bob Montgomery 552
    15. Jimmy Bivins 550
     
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  8. Noel857

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    Thanks Rummy it is very good of you to take the time to deal with my request
     
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  10. FrankinDallas

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    Who the hell left SRR off his list? Reminds me of the 1 guy who didn't vote for Derek Jeter for the baseball HOF.....396 out of 397 votes.
     
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  11. Saintpat

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    You weren’t the only one grinning ear to ear to see the Old Mongoose get his flowers @Rumsfeld. Love me some Archie Moore.

    Also made me smile to see you mention the often-overlooked/forgotten fact that Sandy Saddler also held the title at 130 pounds.

    I decided when Rummy put this series together that I just didn’t have time to obsess over decades and rank fighters. A job promotion to an even more demanding position proved me right, and I’m not great at ranking lists … I could do one today and come back tomorrow and have most of the same guys but rank them differently.

    I’m grateful to the voters for doing this, but most of all to Rummy for putting it together. The time and dedication here is a testament to his love for our sport and his devotion to this forum. You’re doing the Boxing Gods’ work here Mr. @Rumsfeld — thanks to this internet thing, these videos will be around to educate new fans long after we’re all gone.

    Take a bow, drink a cold one and get back to work on the next decade, Rummy!
     
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  12. Greg Price99

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    Thanks again Rummy, another great video.

    The same 10 names in the top 10 are in my top 10, albeit in a different order. You mentioned Harold Johnson was #12, whereas I had him at #11.

    You mentioned Ezzard Charles was #11, I had him #19, his record during the 50's was 30-20. He started the decade well, but fell off a cliff shorly thereafter. I had Ezzard at #2 during the 40's and like you, Rummy, I have him #5 all time.
     
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  13. Rumsfeld

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    You're too kind.

    Thank you very much! Most appreciated.
     
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  15. Greg Price99

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    Thanks again Rummy, another excellent video.

    9 of this top 10 appeared in mine.

    Only Sonny Liston didn't, who I had at #12 for the decade, whilst my list included Ruben Olivares.

    I rate Liston highly (#9 all time at HW), but he suffers a little from the criteria here as he did some good work in the 50's, which I excluded from my consideration. His 23-3 record in the 60's included some of his best wins, but wasn't quite enough to get into my top 10 for the decade.

    Olivares went 55-0-1 during the 60's, including wins over Lionel Rose for the BW title, Alan Rudkin, Jose Medel, Kazuyoshi Kanazawa, Salvatorre Burruni and Octavio Gomez. I had him at #5, so I'm surprised he didn't make the top 10 & would be interested whereabouts he featured outside the top 10. If you get a moment to check at any point, I'd appreciate it.

    Thanks again for taking the time to run this survey and create the brilliant videos.