Sven Ottke: Das Super Middleweight All Time Great-The Phantom Of The Spandau Ballet.

I agree that makes little sense, since Calzaghe did come to Germany to beat Veit so he already had a bit of a profile in Germany (certainly a bigger one than Ottke in the UK). Bottom line is likely that Ottke's promoters did not want to risk losing his belt. Sauerland are known for cherry picking, I wouldn't even blame Ottke personally as he was tightly managed by his handlers.

 

Did you watch the fight (without biased UK commentary?). I had Ottke win it by 2 rounds. You?

Reid gave away the right by being totally inactive the last 2 rounds. Ottke - like so many times - nicked the entire fight by outlanding his opponent by half a dozen punches in the last 6 minutes. That was his specialty.

 

Regarding quesionable decision wins. I find it funny the IBHOF judges bring them up for Ottke, but none of the judges brought up the questionable British stoppage wins of Calzaghe? How come no one ever mentions these?

 

people do all the time. so many fake stoppages its unbelievable.

retiring Byron Mitchell was robbed.

but otkke was the bigger fake - Byron getting fake stopped on a slippage in the round he floored joe is not quite as bad as otkke getting his arze whupped and yet being handed the decision at the end. at least joe actually backed up Byron briefly, although him slipping backwards into the ropes didn't constitute a stoppage and joes million punches had no effect on Byron other than to briefly distract him, Byron was laughing the festherfistness off until the ref inexplicably stopped it.

 

Maskes jab would have been a problem no doubt.
Excellent post

 

Hmmm I remember seeing the post-fight TV interview of Scully after the Maske fight. I remember him saying (though this is like 2 decades ago) something along the lines of "Yea he (Maske) beat me, he was the better man. But against Jones? He wouldn't stand a chance, no way".

 

Sven Ottke greatest win came vs an Undefeated Anthony Mundine, a young hungry Mundine, Ottke showed us he can deliver power punches when he wants to do so, Mundine was out cold :smoke



Joe Calazaghe vs Sven Ottke a Must fight for both fighters
Both are retired Undefeated Super Middle weights, both competed & held belts in the same era. So there is no excuse for this fight to happen at any time. As both legacies are great but the Calzaghe vs Ottke issue is questioned & they need this final note.

Joe Calazaghe: 46-0
22 WBO title defenses (NEVER UNDISPUTED)
Best 3 Wins
* 38-0 Mikkel Kissler
* 48-4 Bernard Hopkins
* 52-4 Roy Jones

Sven Ottke: 34-0
22 IBF title defenses (NEVER UNDISPUTED)
Best 3 wins
* 10-0 Anthony Mundine brutal KO
* 30-2 Ali Ennebati
* 32-2 James Crawford

 

All I did was write that Arturo Gatti did not get into the Hall of Fame because he's American because that's what someone else wrote as we all know except for said poster that he's not American. Then I wrote he got in due to his exciting style. When said poster questioned that, I asked him if it's not the excitement factor, then why did Gatti get in. Said poster didn't respond to that query. I never compared Gatti to Ottke and have no idea why you even responded to my post.

 

Fat Dan on Ottke HOF:

Sven Ottke (34-0, 6 KOs): This one kills me. Ottke retired as an undefeated unified super middleweight champion, yet I still have my doubts. Although he unified titles by beating Byron Mitchell and also notched victories against Charles Brewer (twice), Thomas Tate (twice), Anthony Mundine, Glen Johnson and Robin Reid, way too many of his fights were close calls.

Perhaps benefiting from fighting only in the comforts of Germany, Ottke always seemed to have gotten the benefit of the doubt. But there are numerous fights that could have gone the other way. Not just one or two, mind you, but several.

His crowning moment is probably a come-from-behind, 10th-round knockout of Mundine that saved his reign.

What he needs to do to get my vote: Ottke needs to just make sure that when the ballot with his name arrives that I remember that fighters who reign for seven years and retire undefeated, no matter the circumstances, are rare. He'll probably get my vote eventually.

 

Think you said it there -
questionable decisions compared to whether a fighter being dominated should be stopped or not when they are losing

 

Its funny how so many comment on Ottkes debateable decisions when they are only quoting what others have said.
People note Ottkes SDs but dont seem to be as tough on James Toney and all of his close fights

Here is an old post below

Alot of people who have never even seen Ottke talk about robberies in fights they have never seen. Or comment on close fights which could have gone either way, but it seems many forget about how it was similar with Toney.

Many feel Reid deserved the decision against Ottke
Many feel Tiberi deserved the decision against Toney

Ottke won a world title and beat a world champion in his 13th fight
Toney beat a 11-8-0 fighter in his 13th fight and had just drawn with S Williams 24-11-0 in his 12th fight

Now the fights which many felt were close or could have gone either way

For Ottke -
C Brewer 1
C Brewer 2
B Mitchell
M L****n
R Reid

For Toney-
S Williams
M Sosa
R Johnson
D Tiberi
M McCallum 1
M McCallum 2

Dont try and talk about levels because other than McCallum there isnt a great deal of difference in the levels and even then it took Toney 3 attempts to clearly beat McCallum, when McCallum was coming off of clear losses to Tiozzo and Jones.

Now lets look at the losses and draws
Toney lost to -
R Jones
M Griffin who was a 14 fight novice
M Griffin a 2nd time
D Thadzi

Toney drew with -
S Williams
M McCallum

Ottke - 0 defeats, 0 draws
Dont try and say G Johnson was a robbery, it wasnt. Johnson was out boxed. Watch the fight!


So why do people go on about Ottke having close fights and try and ignore the fact that Toney had close fights???

 

Ok, so what does that have to do with me?:nut