Sven Ottke Most Protected Fighter?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by JohnJax, Jan 6, 2022.

  1. JohnJax

    JohnJax Member Full Member

    Dec 5, 2020
    With everyone constantly talking about how Canelo and Joshua are protected, I cannot help but think that Ottke still has them beat. He only fought on home soil, and he seemed to have the refs actively punishing anyone who dared touch him (Reid fight). Is there anyone still active remotely close to this?
  2. bailey

    bailey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Dec 11, 2009
    Many fighters only fight on home soil
    When you are talking about the ref, you are only referring to one fight when ottke was at the end of his career
    Considering how many top smws he fought in 21 title defense, I can't see how you think he was protected?

    Glen Johnson
    B Mitchell
    C brewer

    To only name a few
  3. Moonlight

    Moonlight Walking in the moonlight... lonely.. as always.. Full Member

    Nov 12, 2021
    Never compare Canelo to Joshua or Ottke. Canelo is already high level ATG with peak level skills.

    Anyway, I think he is actually underrated. He had 21 title defenses out of 34 fights. Calzaghe also had 21 defenses but out of 46 fights. Ottke's defense ratio is simply better.
  4. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

    Jan 18, 2010
    A lot of the US fighters have been overly protected too, but then it's ok because it's the US.
    If it's Germany, Italy, Australia or currently the UK people will point fingers.
    Just look at a couple of active fighters like Wilder and Broner with opponents and scorecards in titlefights.
    Also take a look at Abner Mares, Andre Ward, Markus Browne, J'Leon Love or Fernando Guerrero... who could get away with murder.
  5. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

    Aug 16, 2018
    Ottke was much better than what he gets credit for. He was a very good technical fighter but yeah, he definitely should have lost too Ried and arguably some others. There are plenty of American fighters that don't fight overseas so I don't blame him for not wanting to fight outside of Germany. Those type of robberies happen both ways. Anyone remember how badly Sturm got screwed against the Golden Boy? I don't think Sturm ever fought in the US again after that.
  6. Olu G. Rotimi

    Olu G. Rotimi Lord President of the Council Full Member

    May 29, 2007
    I think it’s the home town judging that was in issue with Ottke.
  7. iii

    iii Boxing Addict Full Member

    May 3, 2016
    I think Sturm learnt fom that as managed to avoid GGG hence GGG coming to America ...
  8. heerko koois

    heerko koois Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Apr 26, 2006
    Seen some of his fights....most of them were boring, still a decent boxer though
  9. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Sextus Julius Severus Full Member

    Nov 4, 2017
    Andre Ward was very protected.

    He always fought with home advantage, and had scumbag referees who let him use illegal tactics (low blows, head butts) and dishonest judges who bailed him out (Ward-Kovalev I).

    He was permitted to skip a round in the Super Six, and unlike all the other boxers he never had to leave his home country.
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  10. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

    Sep 16, 2020
    Sturm did not had avoided anyone. US business had screwed him cos US boxer must win.
    German business had screwed him and Ottke with contracts, yeah.

    Ottke had only just some awful bouts, where he had been under " protection " but this was when he went over the hill.
    Before this he didn't needed protection.
    Until this they just needed tickets sales with Ottke on fight card, therefore tied him with different contracts.

    Promoters and managers did not had gave GGG a lot of lucrative fights when GGG was in Germany.
    Flowchart: GGG is from not well known country, will not generate big money for us cos this.

    Nothing wrong, he is from US, therefore it is cool to fight only in some US areas and get helped even more than Clen ever had.
    Origin matters every bare thing for casuals, people who are casuals loves to pretend that they are boxing not boxers fans and post in internet a lot of comments on daily basis.
    Basically here are a lot tribal and nationalistic, even racist casuals who are insisting that they are " hardcore boxing fans " and these too loves to post in internet forums and YT comments.
    Not rare cases under multiple profiles.
  11. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

    Sep 16, 2020
    For GGG moving to US had helped a lot.
    In Germany he had been treated not well.
    If he was from Ukraine or Russia or even Turkey, he I think had some better bouts in Germany.
    Kazahstan? Where this is?

    In US at least they get that GGG is watchable boxer.
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  12. Aussie Invader

    Aussie Invader Boxing Addict banned Full Member

    Jan 5, 2017

    lived 2 hours away by plane from the best 2 SMW's on the planet.
    calzaghe and kessler.
    it's nice that he had "21 title defences", but shame he couldn't have had the most meaningful of fights in there somewhere.
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  13. Aussie Invader

    Aussie Invader Boxing Addict banned Full Member

    Jan 5, 2017
    who was the best MW he fought in his entire career?
  14. Aussie Invader

    Aussie Invader Boxing Addict banned Full Member

    Jan 5, 2017
    ottke doesn't get credit because he never fought the best in his weight division, even.
    sturm didn't just not fight in the US again, he never fought a top opponent again.
  15. bailey

    bailey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Dec 11, 2009
    Kessler wasn't really a major factor when ottke was active and beat his then 2 more highly rated countrymen in markussen and Larsen, who were from the same country as Kessler and higher rated than him at that time ottke beat them
    Silly to say why doesn't someone stay boxing until someone higher rated from another country comes along