Sven Ottke Most Protected Fighter?

What on earth are you talking about now?

You’re not going to spin your way out of this.

Boxrec isn’t going to help you this time.

 

Haha!

Oh my.

You really are something else aren’t you.


Okay then.

Well then let’s list them for us all to see.


It’s going to make you look utterly ridiculous.

It’s going to PROVE to people just how mentally ill you are.

It will no longer merely be my opinion.

It will be an absolute FACT.


Bailey for one didn’t know about them.

So unless you want to, I’ll list them tomorrow.


I mean, just how stupid are you?

Labelling me as being mentally ill and an obsessive, when YOU’RE the nut who’s got a dedicated YouTube account, which used to be called ‘Roid Watch’ where you’ve dedicated hours of your spare time to hating on Roy.

Ha!


You have got THIRTY TWO videos hating on Roy!

THIRTY TWO!

All which contain the word: Roid

SMH.


The only thing to say to that, is:

“It’s straight jacket time baby!”


THIRTY TWO hate videos.

Yet it’s me who’s got issues?


Haha!

GTFO you absolute lunatic.

 

Yes, fishing.

You’ve been trying to bait me for years about me telling you that Roy wanted to fight Hill after Griffin.

You know this.

I uploaded you the exact interview where he spoke of it, yet you’ve run with these claims for about 9 years now.

Maybe it’s time for you to accuse me of something different.

This one has clearly run it’s course.

 

Ha!

Please!


Nobody is interested in your: “He beat this guy, before that guy beat the guy who beat that guy etc”

Nobody but you would ever claim that Mger Mkrtchyan was a world class fighter.

You can Boxrec all you like.


Mger Mkrtchyan was a career European level fighter.

He never beat any world class fighters in his entire career.

His record is there for all to see.


Who cares if Sobot had a debatable decision with a guy who went on to do something?

Branko Sobot was also a career European level fighter.

He also never beat any world class fighters in his entire career.

His record is also there for all to see.


Joe was HAPPY to fight these unknown Euro level guys which made up the bulk of his so called world title defences.

 

LOL. Your replies are getting weaker.

Because you have NOTHING to reply to getting abused with. I can easily refute anything you post, and you know it.

You're fooling NO ONE.

"hate videos"

No, those clips are what's called reality. Which back up arguments which have DESTROYED your lies and delusions. Over and over.

"hours of my time"?? I just told you they take MINUTES you clown.

And I've got plenty of fights on that channel. It's not "dedicated" to "hating on Roy", so stop lying, as usual (and speak English you cringey fool).

Oh, and Little Joe Rogan also gets ridiculed on it.

AGAIN, you have wasted 10 YEARS of your worthless life and

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long-winded nonsense posts which you'll continue for the rest of your pointless miserable existence unless you get professional help.

How many HOURS have YOU wasted getting proven wrong, you clown. 100s? 1000s? LOL.

I can start listing all the endless lies and delusions you've been caught posting if you wish. There'll be PAGES of them.

You must believe the crap you invent is more credible than real factual evidence .

A delusional fat mentally ill beta troll. How old are you now? .

I don't even think you have the intelligence to begin to understand your mental illnesses and disorders. Your lack of self awareness is embarrassing (for you).

 

THIRTY TWO videos!

THIRTY TWO!


Haha!


“NURSE!!!”

 

Josephine.Boxer,


You have never refuted a SINGLE word of what I’ve said in TEN YEARS.

Your M.O. is to go on a tirade when someone says anything which you don’t agree with.

You insult people before you get banned.


How many bans have you had now?

You must have had 5 or so in the past year alone.

You are completely incapable of debating with anybody.


No, your precious YT clips haven’t destroyed ANYTHING.

They are not REALITY.

Let’s have a look at some of them.

Let’s have a look at some of your hilarious videos with Joe and Frank Warren:


Joe: “Roy is hiding”

Ha! Says the guy who was defending a Micky Mouse belt in Britain, against guys like Mario Veit.


Frank: “Now if Roy has signed with HBO, that’ll be an issue”

Ha! Roy had been with HBO for NINE YEARS at that point.


Frank: “Roy can come over to Britain and drop back to SMW to contest Joe’s WBO belt”

Ha! Yeah. As if the P4P King of boxing, and the WBA, IBF and WBC LHW champ, was going to drop down a division and go to Britain, to fight a relatively unknown WBO belt holder who’d recently gone life and death with Robin Reid. A guy who was relatively unknown outside of Europe at the time. Sure. A perfectly reasonable request. SMH.

It would have been like Ricky Hatton before he’d beaten Kostya, asking for Floyd Mayweather to have flown to Britain and to drop back to LWW to contest his WBU belt. A joke!


Now I challenge you or anybody to find me a single credible link, where Joe was open to fighting Roy up at HIS weight in the U.S.

I’ll wait.

Making fake call outs knowing full well that they couldn’t ever happen was one of the most cringeworthy things that I’ve ever seen. Even worse than some of your posts.

Showtime soon dropped Joe after he wouldn’t fight in the U.S.


Now let’s look at some FACTS:


Joe wouldn’t move up to LHW until 2008.

Joe wouldn’t fight in the U.S. until 2008.

Joe cited that he had a fear of flying.

Joe spent a decade defending a lightly regarded WBO belt.

Joe has bragged numerous times of his WBO defences, proving that he was more than happy to fight all of the guys who he did.


Now let’s look at some of Joe’s quotes:


1999:

“Let’s be honest. Roy Jones is a good fighter. But I’m not chasing him, as I don’t want tough fights”


2007:

“A fight between me and Roy Jones is pointless. He’s no longer a great fighter. I also have no interest in Tarver. All he did was beat a shot Jones, before Johnson did the same”


2020:

“I’d have beaten Froch. I’d have beaten any SMW in history. But maybe not Roy Jones in his prime”


Now all of the above is FACTUAL information, which can be backed up at ANY point.

You cannot refute ANY of it.

Yet you’ll go onto YT and type:

“Roid Jones ducked an earlier fight with Calzaghe. FACT”

I despair.


Your videos are utter GARBAGE.

They have refuted NOTHING.

You CAN’T and HAVEN’T refuted ANYTHING that I’ve EVER posted here.


The only thing in your arsenal, is: An abusive rant.

An abusive rant where you go into overdrive before predictably getting yourself banned.

That’s all you have at your disposal.

And I LOVE them.

They make me laugh out LOUD.

You are a hero to my friends who read this forum.

If I ever even thought about ignoring you or reporting you, they would completely disown me.


All you are is a mentally ill lunatic who provides me with a source of entertainment.


You are a JOKE.


I will enjoy posting the titles of your 32 videos up tomorrow.


Now go and take your MEDS before bedtime.

 

LouDUNCE has gone and spat his dummy out.

Looks like I hit a nerve.

PMSL.

I guess it really does eat away at you every single day of your miserable pointless life that

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ROID was the one who backed out of their fight, not Calzaghe, and there's absolutely NOTHING you can do about it.

Only a deluded mentally ill Roid Jones fanboy as unwell as Loudunce could with a straight face accuse Roid's rivals of "fake callouts". LMFAO. Roid was the king of fake callouts. FACT.

Loudunce logic 101 = lies and denial.

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You know full well I could tear apart your drivel just like I did regarding the Collins duck.

You STILL cannot even reply to being destroyed on that subject. It's HILARIOUS.

In the Loudunce Fantasy World, quotes are only relevant if he believes they back up his lies & delusions, otherwise they are to be dismissed.

"Absolutely laughable."

YOU are the joke. A tragic joke.

You're so dumb you don't even understand your own mental illness. You pretend you can't even see it. LOL

You are MY punchbag. Don't ever forget that, Loudunce.

And I'm going to carry on abusing you as you clearly cannot handle reality.

Read it again and weep;

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Ha!

Is this supposed to be a response?

You must be tired Josephine.

This is just a reply full of nothing.


No, it’s not a FACT just because a simpleton on the internet says so.

That is nothing more than your opinion.


Roy was the one who backed out of dropping back down to SMW and flying to Britain, to fight a relatively unknown guy who’d just beaten Mario Veit??

Haha!


The P4P King and holder of all three LHW belts didn’t want to drop a division to contest a WBO belt against a guy who had done NOTHING?

How strange.

We need to hire Columbo for this one.


Hey genius, why didn’t your guy go and challenge the P4P King in the U.S. up at LHW??

Oh, I forgot.

He was afraid of flying, right?

Well, he was before 2008.

Luckily for him, he overcame that fear when Roy was shot.

How convenient for him.


All of the FACTS and QUOTES that I have quoted, can be backed up at a moments notice. Just tell me which ones, and I’ll prove it.

You have proven nothing regarding Collins.

You are deluded.

If you want to go there, bring it on.

I will just destroy you with more FACTS.


Now unless you can actually REFUTE ANYTHING which I’ve said in my previous post, I shall say goodnight.

Make sure that the nurse straps you in tightly.

We don’t want any accidents.

I shall post your THIRTY TWO (there’s even more without the word Roid) videos tomorrow.

 

Joe Calzaghe:

“I’m not chasing Roy Jones, as I don’t want tough fights”


He wouldn’t fight at Roy’s weight class or in Roy’s country, and went onto fight Mario Veit AGAIN instead.


Simpleton Josephine:

“Roy ducked Calzaghe. FACT!”


Ha!

You couldn’t make it up.

 

PMSL! The only one with replies full of NOTHING is you.

All you have are lies, delusions, and denials.

You simply ignore facts and reality like the delusional SIMPLETON that everyone knows you are.

LOL. I have destroyed & humiliated you with facts on the Collins duck. How long have you had to reply?

You literally can't prove ANYTHING. Because you're wrong and you know it.

Go and try and refute every point I made in the Collins thread. I'm waiting.

Also, don't try getting brave online, otherwise I'll bully you into meeting me. Then I'll cave your fat autistic face in and jump all over your thick skull.

"Strapped it". LOL.

Yes, a mental patient needing to be strapped to his bed pretty much sums you up PERFECTLY. (Obviously you're too thick to even realize, but still.)

 

Roid BACKED OUT, not Calzaghe.

And there's absolutely nothing you can do about it.

 

Ha!

You are absolutely deluded.

Look at the state of you man.

Again, the quotes and facts that I have provided you with can be backed up at any point.

You have zero answer to them.

Your opinion is completely worthless.


I’ll tell you what, seeing as though you’ve entertained me all night, we’ll do the supposed Collins duck now if you want.

Will that make you happy?

It’ll be my bed time story for you.

I’ll try and be quick though before your MEDS kick in.


Here you are:

And before you start crying and whining like a little girl, everything that I say can be backed up.


Once upon a time in 1996, Roy and HBO enquired about a Collins fight. But Collins was solely focused on a rematch with Nigel Benn.

In October of 1996, Roy then moved up to LHW, where he fought Mike McCallum in November, 1996.

In January of 1997, Collins’ team then offered Roy $2m to fight.

Yet Roy had signed to fight Montell Griffin at LHW and was actually already in camp at the time, for a fight scheduled for March, 1997.

After his DQ in March, 1997, Roy was then solely focused on a rematch.

His rematch with Griffin then came in August, 1997.

By the time that Roy had beaten Montell Griffin in their rematch, Collins had pulled out of a proposed bout with Joe Calzaghe, citing a lack of motivation. He then promptly retired for 2 years.


Two years later in 1999, Collins then flew to Pensacola, in order to challenge Roy in the ring, after Roy had beaten Ricky Frazier in a horrible mandatory mismatch. After the fight, Roy then gave his advisor, Stanley Levin the green light in order to try and make the fight. But whilst Levin was trying to make the fight with Collins’ representatives, Roy’s other advisor who he’d just brought on board, Murad Muhammad, had met with Lou DeBella who was the head of programming of HBO. DeBella told Muhammad that they (HBO) had come under serious criticism for airing the mismatch with Frazier, and that HBO would not authorise a fight with Steve Collins, as Collins hadn’t fought for 2 years, or up at LHW. DeBella instead wanted Roy to have an undisputed LHW fight with Reggie Johnson. Muhammad then met with Roy, telling him what DeBella had said about not authorising the fight and them wanting him to fight Johnson instead. Roy then told Levin he wanted to fight Johnson instead, as it was for Johnson’s IBF title. This caused friction in Roy’s camp between Roy, Levin and Muhammad, as this had made Levin look bad in front of Collins’ representatives.

However, DeBella said that he would be open to airing a future fight with Collins, if he proved that he was still capable of being a top level fighter. DeBella stated that he’d like to see Collins fight Calzaghe, with the winner possibly getting a shot at Roy in the future, if there was sufficient interest. Collins couldn’t get a fight with Calzaghe, but he was able to get a slot on the undercard of Joe’s U.S. TV debut for Showtime, where Joe was scheduled to face Ricky Thornberry.

Unfortunately, Collins then collapsed in training whilst sparring with Howard Eastman. He then retired permanently upon the doctor's advice.

Roy then went ahead and fought Reggie Johnson to become the undisputed LHW champion.


That is everything what happened.

The whole thing in it’s entirety.


The whole thing has been done on here numerous times.

You’ve spammed the forum with everything from Collins’ side, whilst I have uploaded DeBella’s comments etc.


There was no duck.

Why on earth would Roy Jones have feared a guy who barely beat a faded Eubank?

Have a word with yourself.


Collins called out Roy when he was already in camp. And then 7 months later, he’d retired.

Then 2 years later, HBO would NOT air a Roy-Collins fight.

Collins then retired permanently after his incident in training.

That’s it.

The end.


I don’t care what you say.

Everything above is factual.

 

Backed out of what?

In 2001, Roy’s and HBO’s sole focus was on pursuing a huge fight against Dariusz M.

Warren went to Roy’s advisor, Brad Jacobs and enquired about Roy possibly fighting Joe in Britain at SMW. And to do that, he’d have wanted big money.

He was the P4P King of boxing who was getting $5m for some of his mandatories.


Once again, it was totally unrealistic for the P4P King of boxing, to drop back down to a weight that he’d not made in 5 years, to fight a relatively unknown guy for a lightly regarded WBO belt.

You are forgetting that Joe had bombed on his U.S. TV debut against Rick Thornberry.

You are forgetting that he’d also looked awful against David Starie and that he barely beat Robin Reid, which was sandwiched in-between Reid’s 2 losses to Thulani Malinga and Silvio Branco. It wasn’t a good look for Joe.

You are also forgetting that at the time, the WBO were a laughing stock who had zero credibility within the boxing world.


You can’t beat guys like Omar Sheika and Mario Veit for a lightly regarded WBO belt, and then call for the world’s best fighter to drop weight in order to come and fight you.

Even you know that.


Joe was a great fighter. But he hadn’t proved it in 2001, and his profile was low. And that’s a fact. And it was still low in 2006, which is why Jeff Lacy was such a big favourite. Joe was still a relatively unknown fighter back then to the U.S. public.


Now the only way that Joe could ever have fought Roy in the early 00’s, was to have done one of two things:

1. Moved up to LHW and fought live in the U.S. in order to have raised his profile to have created interest in a fight.

2. Moved up to LHW in the hope that he’d become Roy’s mandatory at some point like Clinton Woods.


Without doing one of those 2 things, the fight could never have happened.

Joe was never willing to do either of them, and his WBO reign speaks for itself.


I don’t care what you have to say regarding this.

Once again, everything that I’ve said is factual and can be backed up at any point.


Joe Calzaghe would not pursue the best fighter in the world either in his country, or at his weight class.

He had no interest in doing that back in the early 00’s, as he was more than content to just defend his lightly regarded WBO belt in Britain instead.


Those are the facts.

Take the emotion out of your posts and view things from back then instead of now.

This is the real world, not some fanboy fantasy.


The onus was on Joe to pursue Roy.

Not for the best fighter in the world to pursue a WBO belt holder from a different country, from a division, who hadn’t achieved anything of note at the time.


Wake up and come back to reality.


It’s something that you’ll just have to deal with.

 

LOL. Your usual lies. A pathetic weak child-like attempt that has already been repeatedly destroyed.

You're a JOKE.

Here's the reality, you useless deluded fool;

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For over 20 years, former undefeated WBO middleweight & super-middleweight titlist and self-proclaimed greatest Irish fighter ever, Steve 'The Celtic Warrior' Collins has been rightly taunting and ridiculing his old rival Roid Jones, Jr as a "coward" due to Roid's continuous refusal to box him. As part of the official RoidWatch project, Team Elite™ continues the Flashback series to expose the truth and educate the lesser learned about Roid Jones, Jr once and for all. So let's recap what is essentially a clear-cut, uneventful, repeated duck. One of Jones' most blatant ducks infact.

In addition to which, the extent that Roid was protected and hid behind his ludicrous promotional contracts with HBO and the "mandatory defences" of his bogus paper ABC titles will be covered.

We'll also take the opportunity to further humiliate & ridicule Roid Jones' absolute worst, dumbest, most deluded & obsessed mentally ill fanboy loser; the tragic obese basement-dwelling f@g known as Loudunce/Fat Robert/robertzimmerman and the cringeworthy lies he will resort to inventing in his pathetic endless, hopeless attempts to defend his glass jawed hero.

Collision course?

Collins & Jones were briefly rival middleweight title holders after Collins stopped the capable yet undersized WBO middleweight titlist Chris Pyatt in May '94 (Jones won his vacant IBF title one year earlier). Collins ultimately never defended his middleweight title, with his first defense against fringe contender Lonnie Beasley on the ill-fated 'High Noon in Hong Kong' card in Oct '94 being canceled literally one minute before the fighters were to weigh in.

Jones - after avoiding his old amateur nemesis & other rival 160lb title holder Gerald 'The G Man' McClellan to the point where Roid wouldn't even mention his name - signed to box James 'Gift Decision' Toney @168lbs for the IBF title in Nov '94 and remained at the weight after an easy shutout victory over the forever-since "weight drained" Toney who'd claimed he was in "great shape" before the bout.

...After Ray Close failed a brain scan ahead of his third challenge to Chris Eubank's WBO super-middleweight title, Collins stepped in to famously end Eubank's "undefeated" streak in Ireland in Mar '95, after which Collins first called out Jones & Benn.

However, post Toney-Jones, Roid would defend his 168lb title against a string of B & C class challengers despite the best opposition all wanting unification matches with him. After beating up roided-up lightweight midget Vinny Pazienza in a clash of 90s juicers, Roid didn't seem keen on any real challenges;

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Still, throughout '95 the headlines were dominated by a high-profile potential Jones-Benn unification bout. In Sep '95 Collins again defeated Eubank - this time more decisively - and after a faded Benn lost his title in Mar '96 the talk naturally turned to Jones vs Collins and the path was clear for their big money unification bout.

Of course, after what Benn did to McClellan in Feb '95, Jones would've never gotten in the ring with Benn despite Benn effectively being shot post-McClellan. HBO's President of Sports Seth Abraham would later confirm this particular duck; "He's very direct about that", Abraham says of Jones' nightmares of ending up in a wheelchair, like McClellan. "I've heard him say, 'No Nigel Benn is going to do that to me.' " (The Jones camp have at least five conflicting explanations [i.e. lies] for the Benn duck which we won't bother covering here.)

It would transpire that this was just the beginning; in a Jun '96 post-fight interview, Larry Merchant would strangely ask Roid about negotiating a fight vs Tommy Hearns;

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???

You know people are talking sh*t when George Foreman is the logical one.

Despite the embarrassing impromptu retirement ceremony after Benn lost his title to Sugarboy Malinga - a boxer who always lost at world level - Benn couldn't resist coming back for a shot at Collins in July which earned Benn £800k and a sprained ankle, with Collins taking the majority cut of the £2m purse.

Road Warrior

Leaving his native Dublin in the mid 80s after amassing countless Irish amateur titles, Collins began his pro career in Boston under the Petronelli brothers, for a while sharing a gym with world middleweight king 'Marvelous' Marvin Hagler. Having retained priceless knowledge from a variety of world class trainers, the seasoned 32-year old Collins had aged like fine wine since the green fresh-faced 16-0 USBA champion who gave Mike 'The Body Snatcher' McCallum a good fight for the WBA middleweight title in 1990, gaining experience vs respected opposition boxing in New Jersey, Atlantic City, France, Italy, & all over the British Isles.

After McCallum was stripped for facing Lineal/IBF champion Toney, Collins would drop a close disputed MD vs a prime 'Sweet' Reggie Johnson for the vacant title in Apr '92, with Collins making the classic mistake of finishing the fight with plenty left in the tank whilst his opponent's was close to empty. This was followed by a frustrating UD loss to the aging elite Sumbu Kalambay in a high-risk bout for the European title in Italy. Relocating to the UK, Collins finally won a world title in his third attempt when he comfortably stopped Pyatt (who defeated Kalambay for the vacant title) in five rounds in Sheffield.

Despite since downplaying his own ability, the fearless iron-chinned workmanlike Collins - a master of psychology - had under-appreciated skills, could counter-punch or brawl effectively, was excessively strong, and could easily maintain a high workrate for 12 rounds. Extremely determined & tenacious, he also possessed complete confidence and an unbreakable will which no one had coming close to denting.

And of course Collins was all natural.

As always, Roid's advantages were his incredible steroid-boosted combination of speed of hand & foot, reflexes, and power (his weak chin and PED use, though obvious, had yet been exposed). However, having secured his spot on HBO's roster which allowed him to pick & choose his opposition, Roid was already comfortably settled into his "Pay me for fighting who you really want me to fight while in the meantime I'll collect these already-premium-rate cheques for trouncing second raters despite not being able to draw flies." routine.

Still, Collins had earned his stripes, was backed by a big UK-based promoter, and had long built a big following both in Ireland and amongst the plastic-paddies stateside to make Jones vs Collins more than a worthwhile proposition.

However, once a ducker...