Sven Ottke - The Robbery Years.

Ried fight, slaps and cuffs with the inside of the hand are not legal punches, so are not counted. Had Reid not changed his stratagy in round 8 he'd won, by me.

For so many years I wondered how a man could be so innaccurate with his right hand..and be Champion.....then in his last fight, when he was going for a knock out...he shocked the **** out of me, by being able to hit some one in the face with his right hand after all.....

Suddenly everything became clear....all those fights the Body Ram fought in, he had been hitting at the guy's left shoulder on purpose the whole fight long, so when it got into the 9-12th rounds the man's jab and hooks hurt too much to throw so Ottka took those rounds clear.

His whole idea was to go 12 rounds, and win by points.
Actually teh fight against Throton, was a good one. Where Thorton said had teh fight been in teh US he'd won. Ottka agreed with him.
In America Aggression gets points and a great hook tothe gloves counts.
In The US a steady pitter pat of unanswered jabs gets no points.

 

I´m not an Ottke fan. Read what I wrote, I dislike the guy. I just defend him because you talk out of your ass most of the time. Thing is, Ottke getting the rounds was never proven, I think he did but it was never proven. when you watch the fight his handlers told him at times he has to do more to win or that he has it already in the bag and should run. Similar things are told fighters everywhere on the planet.

BS. You were already proven wrong. Quite recently Wladimir Sidorenko lost his title in a close fight were many had him winning in Germany and he is German based while his opponent has nothing to do with Germany. And this example was already provided in this thread. You, my friend, are a liar.

So, again spreading myth, are you?

Not more than in other countries.

You are just a biased and you show it clearly.

Yeah, that´s what I already wrote in this thread and what most Americans don´t get. There´s a difference between Europe and America when it comes to scoring. In Europe aggression must be effective to count, in the US it´s enough if you come forward. In the US boxing is entertainment, in Europe it´s a sport. That´s basically the difference.

 

Including that Robin Reid debacle.Its Sven who should`ve been called "Robin"Otkke.

 

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I am getting tired of your bull****: Bottom line is :you can not deny what is evident to the objective eye.

Effective agressiveness is an objective judging criteria:

Mitchell and Brewer were agressive and effective.

- The first Brewer. Ottke just ran, hold and throw light flurries. There is an unwritten law which says the challenger has to take the title away from the champion. Ottke did not do that.

-Wladimir Sidorenko. Who the fk is that for christ sake? I do not know this fighter. Nobody can comment if this is right or false because nobody did see him fight.

- You keep defending the Sauerland and Kohl Mafia. It is ridcoulous, Kohl always had a good relation with the WBO and Sauerland with the IBF. That aloways had an impact on the judges.

-Since how long do you follow boxing. I already watched Maske becoming champion in the early 90's against Williams. Your history only goes back to Ottke which shows that you do not have the necessary background to discuss this topic. This is not only about Ottke, it is what is wrong with German boxing in general.

 

That´s true. I can´t deny what´s objective but since your points are biased. I can.

The first Brewer fight was close. Could have gone wither way and your unwritten law ... well, that was true in the past but remember Taylor-Hopkins? Just as an example. Ottke-Mitchell was a clear fight.

Yeah effective aggressiveness is an objective criteria but you are not objective so stfu.

Former Bantamweight WBA champ. Just proves how close you follow German boxing. :rofl That fight was shown at German TV.

I defend no one. I just say they aren´t worse than King, Arum, dela Hoya, Warren and so on.

you don´t know **** about me. I forgot more about boxing and it´s history than you ever will know. You made a fool out of yourself by going on about points you were proven wrong or by coming up with some made up new points. You change the topic just because you have no arguments anymore. You are just one biased "insert what you want". Go away.

 

I do know enough about you. You are about 16 -20 years old and you do follow boxing for about 5 years When you got here a couple months ago, you were much more reluctant.Now you are desperately trying to sound tough with every post which does not impress me .

- You serously keep denying that the Ottke fights were not corrupt. Well, then I can not take you serous anymore because you are too biased or incompetent. Go back crying to your mom. Enough said.

 

So, so, so wrong :rofl I´m older, I post here for more than 2 years, I follow boxing much longer than 5 years. When I came back here I only rarely posted in the general board. I sticked with the classic part because the people there know more and have some common sense which most posters at the general board lack - like you.

Honey, I own you in this thread. I never said there was no corruption in Ottke fights. Just that you are exagerating it because you are biased.

 

I have been watching German Boxing on TV, since it started under Maske....and Maske was boring too....and Rocky Gochachanni beat Maske the first fight,( A German with a funny name got beat you a Stazi officer) wit German judges, lost in the Second. Grockachani (SP) also lost the Eubank fight for doing the same thing Maske did to lose to Hill, stood there the first couple of rounds in the shell and did absolutely nothing.

Boxing has nothing to do with Boring, it is who wins the rounds or KO's someone...if some one can do that boring, then is it not much of the fault of the other fighter who could not defend against a jab?
I can well remember when the only fights on German TV were Ali fights at 4 in the morning with Ali.
I have not seen a German Judge in a German Title fight in a long time. AA vs Martinez(sp) was an American judge, and a Mexican Judge and I think a Finnish judge. Now why should a Mexican American have two of his judges at a German fight....what no German and Austrian Judge.

Germany is slowly becoming a boxing country, when 1/4th the nation watched the last two Middleweight Championship fights....of course they are now free. Back when they were on Premier(a sports channel that went mostly broke and had to get rid of F-1, Boxing and Soccer) for money.
I,a boxing fan, and 99.9% who were not did not see any good boxing. We got free boxing on two tape delayed channels.

I have seen many a boxer fight for a Title, who did not have a jab....it is very seldom to see a European fighter that does not have a jab, and at championship levels a good one.

Like Ottka, like Maske, now DM had a great jab, and the best set of offensive tools of his era and weight....his defence was a good jaw, out side of the shocking Hill fight....my god he had defence....but he like to hit folks hard.

Entertainment...I go to the Crazy Horse or a Rock concert...and for a fight I go to a fight or a hockey game.
1961?64?,Curtis Cokes(Three years One and Only World Champion) or Bones Brown (Six years One and Only World Champion) 1956-62? were good American champions you don't even know, in and out fighters who dominated with a jab and foot work. Now that is entertainment.....out boxing the other fella.
But many "fans" don't know footwork, if you stuck your toes in thier nose.

 

I already schooled your ass bigtime.

- You keep saying that Germany is not worse than the States.
Nonsense. Ottke was never in danger of losing a close decision because the officials were corrrupt. The greats DH, Whitaker James Toney,... they all lost close decisons. Ottke was never in danger of losing a close decision because the officials were corrupt.

- You agree that German boxing is corrupt which leads to the conclusion that Ottke did not win all of those fights fairly. You did agree with me.

-That fact only makes you allegation that those were close fights which Ottke could have won anyway invalid. These close fights could not have gone either way, because the officials were corrupt. That is what happened in the Mitchell and Brewer fights. Ottke was competitive but he lost those fights.

- You deny that you are an Ottke. This is not credible at all because you post on every Ottke thread.


So stfup once and for all.

 

Keep telling that yourself if it makes you feel better.

So, Sturm, Schulz, Lewis were never robbed? Whitaker and DLH are funny examples those two got robbed in their own country.

No, that does not lead to that conclusion. That´s just your bias that leads you there. And like I said German boxing is not more corrupt than that in any other country.

BS. The mitchell fight wasn´t even close. The Brewer 1 fight was a fight which could have gone either way and went to the hometown fighter. These things happen all over the world all the time.

Sure I do. Somebody needs to stand up to these myths. I do the same for guys like John Ruiz and any other fighter like that.

That sounds like: :|

 

If Ottke gets in Canastota.. he'd be the biggest fraud ever in the hall of fame.

 

Hm, I wonder if a beltholder is fraud what are you then?

 

Well I'm undefeated... and no robberies on my ledger.

 

You obviously were never in the pro fighting buisness then.