Swastikas tatooed on Aleksander's body but..

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  1. Dostoevsky

    Dostoevsky Hardcore......to the max! Full Member

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    :nod

    Arlovski-Werdum
    Liddell-Wanderlei
    Monson-Fujita
    Ortiz-Wanderlei
    Diaz-Gomi
    Penn-Gomi
    Gonzaga-Crocop
    Kongo-Crocop
    Griffin-Shogun
    O'Brien-Herring
    Karo-Chonan
    Machida-Nakamura
    Machida-Sokoudjou

    Next = Sylvia-Nog?
    That will be the deciding factor and final stamp on what org really had the best fighters. Its looks like all the years of Pride fighters being thought of as superior to UFC guys is now bull****.
    Hell, when you think about it at the beginning the whole Pride lhw division was built around Wanderlei Silva a UFC reject who got beat twice over there and Mark Coleman who was a Pride reject after getting his head almost get kicked off his shoulders, then going on to win the Pride GP and be considered the #1 heavyweight!

    Maybe for frivolous and superficial presentation Pride was better but for who had the superior fighters? UFC > Pride.
     
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  2. Dostoevsky

    Dostoevsky Hardcore......to the max! Full Member

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    For shits and giggles:

    This content is protected
     
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  3. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Good then next time pay attention to your own wisdom and dont bother to reply to me with some snide remark.Touche stoopid.:roll:
     
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  4. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Hindsight is a wonderful tool isnt it.Now your singing an entirely diffrent tune.How is it at the shallow end of the dream pool these days?
     
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  5. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    You remind me the asian bloke from family guy that laughed at everything that wasnt funny.

    "O he said steroids and he ryhmed it with PRIDE o ha ha is very funny!"
     
    scurlaruntings, Jan 9, 2008
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  6. Koa

    Koa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Last name is either Spanish or Polish, right?

    Russians taking on a swastika makes about as much sense as a Nazi growing dreads.. Hitler hated Russians as a race.. Nazi's wouldn't have allowed anyone with this guys last name, or facial features into their ranks.

    Kids these days. :-(
     
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  7. Dostoevsky

    Dostoevsky Hardcore......to the max! Full Member

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    [yt]OzCE-U2ipr4[/yt]

    C'mon......how can you not like the guy, just look at that!
     
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  8. boxingcar

    boxingcar Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Datsik > Arlovski
    Sylvia > Arlovski
    Rizzo > Arlovski
    (to name a few)....

    For the record , Datsik was not only a monumental can , but he was also mentally perturbed.

    Wanderlei Silva > Jackson X 2
    Knowing that , is it really fair to only mention that Liddell defeated Wanderlei ?... Of course not.
    But you're forced to cause Jackson happens to be UFC's LHW champ.

    Rizzo > Monson
    Sylvia > Monson
    Liddell > Monson
    (to name a few)....

    So Fujita lost against Monson ? Oooh! ufc is soooo superior!..
    Guess what ?
    Rizzo > Arlovski
    Rizzo > Monson
    Rizzo > Barnett
    Rizzo > Rodriguez

    The very same "Pedro Rizzo"...went to Pride fc , got TKOed by Kharitonov in less than 2 minutes.
    then also lost in Pride fc against Zentsov in only 25 SECONDS.

    But i bet you're gonna say , " but rizzo was past his prime"...
    Hey , maybe you're right or wrong...but past prime or not , that didn't stop him from beating Monson in 2007... "the" Monson who was supposed to be a "threat" to Emelianenko remember ?

    Maybe you're even gonna point the fact that Fujita almost defeated fedor and that Monson had "less" problems beating this guy...Sure , but that didn't stop Emelianenko from not only beating Fujita , but also taking only 4:17 minutes to get the job done...
    (Monson wasted 6:37 minutes to beat a past prime Fujita)...

    Of course , i'm just nitpicking here.. But since you've decided to use MMATH to prove your point. and since you're only looking at one side of the scenario and not the other....I might as well be the ying of your yang .

    Let's continue....

    Ortiz > Wanderlei...
    Sure...but AGAIN...let me add some balance here...
    Wanderlei > Jackson X 2
    Jackson > Liddell > Ortiz....
    Wanderlei > Mezger
    Mezger > Ortiz (but Ortiz won the rematch).

    Continuing....

    Diaz > Gomi
    Ok....
    and Karl James Noons > DIAZ
    Charles Bennet > Karl James Noons
    Kawajiri > Bennet
    GOMI > KAWAJIRI...

    MMATH is fun isnt it?...

    Continuing...

    PENN > Gomi....
    Ok...
    PULVER > Penn...
    GOMI > PULVER....

    still having fun ?....SURE , i know , i know...Penn won his ****ing rematch against Pulver in 2007...That still didn't stop Gomi from KOing Pulver in the first right ?...So , Penn > Gomi ? sure....but please , don't ignore the entire picture here... OH and btw... Pulver ALSO lost against Sakurai. (Gomi > Sakurai )...

    Continuing...

    Gonzaga > Crocop....
    Great...now take off your ufc glasses and check this out...
    Werdum > Gonzaga (tkoed him)
    Couture > Gonzaga
    Arona > Gonzaga (but that was in adcc...so it shouldnt count)..

    Nogueira > Werdum
    Kharitonov > Werdum
    Arlovski > Werdum.

    Barnett > Couture
    Crocop > Barnett X 3
    Liddell > Couture X 2
    Jackson > liddell X 2
    Wanderlei > Jackson X 2
    Crocop > Wandy...

    Annoying isn't it ?...

    Oh , and in case you're gonna point out the fact that Rizzo > Barnett...
    Remember...Kharitonov > Rizzo (rizzo lost twice in pride fc ).

    KONGO > Crocop...This one is too funny...
    Minowa > Gilbert Yvel
    Yvel > KONGO (tkoed his ass )...
    Crocop > Minowa
    Wandy > Minowa
    Sakuraba > Minowa
    (to name a few )...

    Pointing out kongo > Crocop is pretty much the equivalent of saying... McBride > Tyson. or Danny Williams > Tyson (when talking about gonzaga)
    It's irrelevant at this stage of crocop's career...Kongo is a nobody compared to crocop's prime K1 and mma career...

    Continuing...

    Griffin > Shogun...
    But Jeremy Horn > Griffin
    and guess what ? ARONA > Horn...
    Shogun > Arona

    maybe you're gonna ***** and tell me that i'm diggin too much in the past...probably...but i'm forced to cause in your bull**** message , organisations are apparently training their fighters...you're quick to point out a victory of a ufc fighter over an ex pride fighter but you're ignoring their past....or hell , even their present...( Rizzo > Monson in 2007 remember ? )...

    continuing..

    O'brien > Herring...
    Hey , to bad Herring didnt pull the "upset" of the night against Nogueira right ? You woulda been the first to post Herring > Nog (even though Nog defeated that guy a couple of times before )...

    Let's see...
    O'brien... what do we got here ? an undefeated record...
    http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?FighterID=14892
    No comment then...He had victories in MT 3 ,IFC , WEC , LOF & UFC...

    Continuing...

    Karo > Chonan.....Riiight...so this too , is supposed to demonstrate the "superiority" of ufc ?....Ok....
    Anderson Silva = UFC champion....
    And guess what ? Anderson Silva = Ex Pride fc fighter...
    and maybe that's where you're gonna tell me...
    "Anderson silva is not a pride fighter"...

    Ok , ok...Doesn't change **** though...cause
    Chonan > Anderson Silva
    Takase > Anderson Silva (both fights took place in pride fc)

    So let's recap...
    Karo > Chonan... This one is super fun....Check this out...
    Gomi > Pulver > Penn > Serra > St Pierre > Karo :lol:
    ****in ridiculous i know....still...It proves a point....Orgs don't create or train fighters...

    so ufc > pride or pride > ufc ?...

    Machida > Nakamura
    Machida > Sokoudjou
    Alright...

    But let me remind you a few things first...
    Machida has an undefeated record...(personally , i thought he should've lost against Greco but that's another story )...
    And where was Machida fighting before the UFC ?...

    In Japan....Not pride , but in K1's Heros...he fought 5 times in asia...(4 times in UFC )....and yet , he's now supposed to "represent" the oh so impressive superiority of UFC... Or maybe it just shows that K1's heros > UFC ?
    or maybe..NJPW > K1's heros > UFC ?...Your choice...

    In conclusion...
    Fighters are fighters....
    Orgs don't teach them ****...their trainers do.

    Some fighters are shot , (past prime )....Some are making a come back....some are having a miraculous career resurection...
     
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  9. Dostoevsky

    Dostoevsky Hardcore......to the max! Full Member

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    Dude, what the ****? I ain't reading all that ****, jesus....
     
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  10. boxingcar

    boxingcar Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    and maybe it's for the best...
     
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  11. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Duke im sorry mate but he owned you there boy:lol:
     
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  12. Dostoevsky

    Dostoevsky Hardcore......to the max! Full Member

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    He never owned ****, And I refuse to believe a man such as yourself Scurla would bother reading all that.
    My list was actually fights that have happened and we've seen the results for ourselves. Boxingcar was just using MMAth by saying Fighter A beat Fighter B who Beat fighter C who beat fighter A!

    There it works see!
    No it doesn't.
    1 year ago, Pride fighters where seen as gods as vastly superior fighters that would dominate the inferior and pathetic UFC :rofl
    Well with the exception of Quinton, that hasn't happened, Pride boys have been beaten left right and center, Shogun the 'supposed' #1 LHW in the world got humiliated by the dreaed TUF'er Forrest Griffin :lol:

    Face it, Pride never was superior to UFC, that was just nuthuggery at its finest. Thank god the merger happened because it finally showed all the insane Pride fanboys that in actual fact for the most part, UFC > Pride.
     
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  13. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Well i did! :) (Ok i read about 3/4 of it..)
     
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  14. Koa

    Koa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He's basically saying, you really, really love the UFC.. He went on to prove you go to great lengths to hug the nuts of UFC fighters, while calling pride fighters garbage for no real reason.

    We all know it. But, its fun to read your oppinions.
     
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  15. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    We`ve all got our favourite orgs.PRIDE was obvsiously better for excitement and presenatation.But Duke is always pissing on PRIDE.His not ready.
     
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