Sweat Pea vs Mayweather

Lol stop crying ***** because you are a floyd hater. You are a total moron and havent watched more then a few Floyd fights in your life if you think Sweet Pea stood toe to toe with more fighters then Floyd has? Sweet Pea would be the true runner of the 2,even though only stupid morons like you who dont know **** about ring generalship would even dare call it that.

Watch the Chavez, Corrales, Ndou, Oscar, hell pretty much any fight Floyd has been involved in and how is shoulder roll cant be duplicated. Oscar was wailing away at nothing but air and shoulders. Seriously get a tape of the fight and slow it down, so you can see how brilliantly he dodges punches, even when a fighter his breathing on his face.

Floyd destroying hatton is not brilliant. Hell as I said just another overhyped eurobum that got shalacked as soon as he stepped out of his comfort zone. Pretty much like Calzaghe if he ever got the balls to fight anyone of note. What was impressive is the way he beat Hatton at his own inside game. Destroyed the pressure fighter on the inside. Brilliant. He could have danced around hatton all night and score the decision but by virtue of staying on the inside and out working hatton showed his brilliance.

Stop being alittle floyd hating cocksucker and wake up to reality.

 

Please, at times Hatton was even making Floyd miss with basic head movement.

Pea's jab, body attack, workrate and defence would just be way too much for Floyd, he'd have no answer to it and he'd lose very wide.

 

Lol who has Floyd "struggled" with? he struggled with Castillo 1 with a torn rotator cuff, since its been nothing but domination. Hell is closest fight being a 8-4 win over Oscar lol? Are you kidding me? Thats struggling?

Cherry picked opponents? 6 belts, 5 weight classes, 12 champions he's beatin. Close to 20 championship fights. What are you talking about?


Lol someone with ****ing Joe Calzaghe as an avatar talking about Floyds comp. Go keep slapping yourself. You imitate Calzaghe throwing a "punch"

 

If Mayeather isn't a defensive genius, then you need to open your eyes. His defense was different from Whitaker's. And don't try to tell me Whitaker wasn't a mover, because he was at times. Yes, he was brilliant in the pocket, as Ramirez found out to his cost when they squared off during the rematch. And Chavez got handily spanked stupid up close as well. But watch his first Ramirez fight, and the Nelson fight two years later, and you'll see him use movement laterally, side to side, and moving back in a straight line. Now, I'm not slating Whitaker for this, as I consider him the best boxer ever while backing up away from his opponent.

Mayweather doesn't get hit much as he in your words " doesn't get hit much because he fights a very safety first style and does do his fair share of running and blocking". Well IMO those are attributes of a fine defensive fighter. You actually said he "doesn't get hit much", but his style of a good defensive fighter doesn't meet your criteria. Ali was very much a mover during the 60's, his footwork was immense, he would open up with combinations, then away again. Never looking to stand in the pocket as he was a poor fighter inside.

Pep openly said "he who hits and runs away lives to fight another day, and thats what I got away with throughout the years".

Whitaker seldom went to the ropes. Mayweather on the otherhand goes to the ropes often. And with his left shoulder tucked into his chin, the right hand raised to the otherside of his chin, he takes punches, but not point scorers. Most are usually blocked. And I'm afraid blocking punches is part of the make-up of a good defensive fighter. Whitaker did have a few fine defensive performances when opponents hit fresh air, but he blocked many as well.

Both were great defensive fighters, but Whitaker IMO was more varied and complete defensively.

 

Floyd didnt choose Hatton. Hatton, the media and the fans chose Floyd. Floyd didnt wanna fight Hatton remember? Hatton ducked Floyd a few years ago, then ducked him again before his fight with Collazo, Floyd was done with him "Hatton doesnt wanna fight me, I'd punch him in his fat belly". It wasnt until hatton called out Floyd and insulted him that Floyd made the fight.

Dont forget that it was Mosley, Hatton and Cotto that ducked Floyd the first time around.


I suspect he'll get around to fighting Cotto soon to fully cement his legacy against a top welter, but not Mosley. He missed his chance when he had the infamous tooth ache.

 

deal:deal

Great and OBJECTIVE post (Some around here could most certainly learn from this...)

Knowing that you are a big Whitaker fan also, I am impressed that you can judge both fighters reasonably.

He used a LOT of movement in the Nelson fight so I totally agree with you here.

What I find funny is that Amsterdam loves Guzman who utilises effective movement also, yet is bagging Floyd for doing the same thing. Seems quite hypocritical to me.

 

I am not bagging on Floyd for effective movement, the difference between Floyd and Guzman is that Guzman will actually change things up and do a lot of different things in a fight, he rarely takes an entire fight safety first and just pot shots his way to a safe victory.

I love a great defensive fighter, Guzman will stand in the pocket and make guys miss and throw nice combinations also.

Floyd is an excellent defensive fighter, as is Guzman, neither are geniuses like Pernell Whitaker and I am not bagging on Floyd for using effective movement. He does run a bit more than Guzman will though, definitely, especially lately.

 

take zab judah guys great south paw. gave mayweather trouble. won 4 or 5 rounds out of the 12 with the knock down.
zabs stamina is what let him down. mayweather never really worked judah out.

now you take pea who had better tools then zab fainting,movement,jab,workrate,bodypuncher,
the only thing zab has over him was power and speed. which he has over mayweather.

if zab can cause that much trouble for mayweather.
how much trouble would Whitaker have given him.

 

I like Guzman. He's a very good fighter all round. He moves well, although not consistent with his movement, probably down to choice of strategy throughout his fights. And his weight making difficulties don't help much either when it comes to consistent movement while trying score effectively at the same time. Another thing I like about him, he has pop in reserve, thus willing to stand and trade during brief moments. I'm still scratching my head how one judge scored in favour of Barrios when they fought. That fight was anything at least 116-112, probably 117-111 to be more accurate.

I would favour Guzman to beat Pacquiao. Not a confident pick I must confesss.

 

Have to disagree here. The Whitaker that fought Chavez was distinctly quicker of hand and foot than the Whitaker who fought DLH. Whitaker still had good reflexes and co-ordination against DLH, but he didn't have use of the offensive output he had 4 years earlier.

That's true.

Whitaker of course, was nothing like what he was as a lightweight, but imo he wasn't up to the best welterweight Pea either. As I said, slower of hand and foot than the one that fought Chavez. I think that Whitaker would have clearly beaten DLH (I thought he did actually beat him, but it wasn't clear).

You always give a fair assessment :good