Sweet 16 march madness 64 man bracket heavyweight tournament...Your gonna love this!

The Kurgan · Mar 29, 2009

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"tie-up the moment things got too close"

Johansson wanted to fight on the inside?
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No, but there's the danger that something might actually happen, and Young would never allow for such a possibility.

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Johansson would want distance to throw that right. Nobody picks it, but I think Ingo might win this on a decision as Young is in a shell protecting against the right and it is indeed a very boring fight with Ingo showing the little aggresssion there is and getting the duke after they wake up the judges.
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Ingo's best bet is to out-work Young in the jab department, but I'm not sure Ingo's jab was accurate enough or hard enough to win over the judges. Personally, I would probably score the fight 0-0-15 if it was an option or disqualify both men if I was a ref. I'm getting mad about this fight and it hasn't even happened! :twisted:

Mendoza · Mar 30, 2009

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Johansson was not a crude slugger, though. He could box. I personally think that Young has all the wrong style for Johansson who would be moving around him waiting to potshot that right, and with Young not really having much power, I think Ingo will be able to let that right go quite a bit.

I think Johansson would have much more trouble with someone who pressured him, as Patterson did in their second fight.
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I would say Ingo was an average boxer. He really did not have a good jab or left hook. He was mostly a right hand banger, not a relentless swarmer as say Joe Frazier was. Frazier ate up and spit of smallish boxer types.

The question here is will Young give away many rounds? Young to me is a limited puncher's worst nightmare, because he was not only a good boxer, but had great defensive head movements.

Either way, I think this is one of the better matchups in round one.

Doppleganger · Mar 30, 2009

Hope you still want input.

Winners in
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First Round

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# 8 Elmer Ray vs # 9
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# 5 Floyd Patterson vs # 12
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# 4 Ezzard Charles vs # 13
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# 6 Gene Tunney vs # 11
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# 8 Jack Sharkey vs # 9
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# 4 Harry Wills vs # 13
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# 3 Joe Frazier vs # 14
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# 7 Joe Jeanette vs # 10
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#6 Peter Jackson vs #11
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SuzieQ49 · Mar 30, 2009

I am now issueing a last call for posters that still want to get there predictions in. Alot of good data so far.

Muchmoore · Mar 30, 2009

# 1 Joe Louis vs # 16 Roland Lastarza
# 8 Elmer Ray vs # 9 Pinklon Thomas
# 5 Floyd Patterson vs # 12 Ron Lyle
# 4 Evander Holyfield vs # 13 Tony Tubbs
# 3 George Foreman vs # 14 Tommy Loughran
# 6 Riddick Bowe vs # 11 Harold Johnson
# 7 Max Baer vs # 10 Ernie Terrell
# 2 Jack Johnson vs # 15 Rex Layne

# 1 Rocky Marciano vs # 16 Billy Miske
# 8 Cleveland Williams vs # 9 Lee Q Murray
# 5 Wladimir Klitschko vs # 12 Tony Tucker
# 4 Ezzard Charles vs # 13 Gerry Cooney
# 3 Jersey Joe Walcott vs # 14 Nino Valdez
# 6 Gene Tunney vs # 11 David Tua
# 7 Ken Norton vs # 10 George Godfrey
# 2 Jack Dempsey vs # 15 Earnie Shavers

# 1 Sonny Liston vs # 16 Hasim Rahman
# 8 Jack Sharkey vs # 9 James Corbett
# 5 Sam Langford vs # 12 Eddie Machen
# 4 Harry Wills vs # 13 Buster Douglas
# 3 Joe Frazier vs # 14 Razor Ruddock
# 6 Archie Moore vs # 11 Sam Mcvea
# 7 Joe Jeanette vs # 10 Vitali Klitschko
# 2 Larry Holmes vs # 15 Greg Page

# 1 Muhammad Ali vs # 16 Jimmy Bivins
# 8 Ingemar Johannson vs #9 Jimmy Young
# 5 Max Schmeling vs #12 Clarence Henry
#4 James Jeffries vs # 13 Primo Carnera
#3 Lennox Lewis vs # 14 Fred Fulton
#6 Peter Jackson vs #11 Jerry Quarry
#7 Tim Witherspoon vs #10 Zora Folley
#2 Mike Tyson vs # 15 Michael Moorer

The winner is written in bigger font. I found Wills-Douglas was the hardest for me to pick. Douglas was great against Tyson and would give Wills all he could handle and more, but due to Wills longevity and being much, much more proven at the top level than Douglas, I had to choose him. Probably by a close decision.

teeto · Mar 30, 2009

# 1 JOE LOUIS vs # 16 Roland Lastarza
# 8 Elmer Ray vs # 9 PINKLON THOMAS
# 5 FLOYD PATTERSON vs # 12 Ron Lyle
# 4 EVANDER HOLYFIELD vs # 13 Tony Tubbs
# 3 GEORGE FOREMAN vs # 14 Tommy Loughran
# 6 RIDDICK BOWE vs # 11 Harold Johnson
# 7 MAX BAER vs # 10 Ernie Terrell
# 2 JACK JOHNSON vs # 15 Rex Layne

# 1 ROCKY MARCIANO vs # 16 Billy Miske
# 8 CLEVELAND WILLIAMS vs # 9 Lee Q Murray
# 5 WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO vs # 12 Tony Tucker
# 4 EZZARD CHARLES vs # 13 Gerry Cooney
# 3 JERSEY JOE WALCOTT vs # 14 Nino Valdez
# 6 GENE TUNNEY vs # 11 David Tua
# 7 KEN NORTON vs # 10 George Godfrey
# 2 JACK DEMPSEY vs # 15 Earnie Shavers

# 1 SONNY LISTON vs # 16 Hasim Rahman
# 8 JACK SHARKEY vs # 9 James Corbett
# 5 SAM LANGFORD vs # 12 Eddie Machen
# 4 HARRY WILLS vs # 13 Buster Douglas
# 3 JOE FRAZIER vs # 14 Razor Ruddock
# 6 Archie Moore vs # 11 SAM MCVEA
# 7 Joe Jeanette vs # 10 VITALI KLITSCHKO
# 2 LARRY HOLMES vs # 15 Greg Page

# 1 MUHAMMAD ALI vs # 16 Jimmy Bivins
# 8 INGEMARR JOHANSSON vs #9 Jimmy Young
# 5 MAX SCHMELING vs #12 Clarence Henry
#4 JAMES JEFFRIES vs # 13 Primo Carnera
#3 LENNOX LEWIS vs # 14 Fred Fulton
#6 Peter Jackson vs #11 JERRY QUARRY
#7 TIM WITHERSPOON vs #10 Zora Folley
#2 MIKE TYSON vs # 15 Michael Moorer

Winners in bold caps

la-califa · Mar 30, 2009

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What are your opening round picks? Feel free to pick a couple upsets as we know in march madness that happens EVERY YEAR! But Please make predictions for the opening round. there is 32 picks!!

Here it is my NCAA 64 man March Madness Heavyweight Bracket opening round

First Round

# 1 JOE LOUIS vs # 16 Roland Lastarza KO 4.
# 8 Elmer Ray vs # 9 PINKLON THOMAS UD. Thomas' jab too much
# 5 FLOYD PATTERSON vs # 12 Ron Lyle Might have to come off the canvas for a Dec. win
# 4 EVANDER HOLYFIELD vs # 13 Tony Tubbs UD Win. Tubbs runs out of gas late
# 3 GEORGE FOREMAN vs # 14 Tommy Lougran KO in 3 #RIDDICK BOWE vs # 11 Harold Johnson Split Dec.
# 7 Max Baer vs # 10 ERNIE TERREL UD. Baer outboxed over distance.
# 2 JACK JOHNSON vs # 15 Rex Layne KO in 5
# 1 ROCKY MARCIANO vs # 16 Billy Miske KO 2
# 8 CLEVELAND WILLIAMS vs # 9 Lee Q Murray # 5 WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO vs # 12 Tony Tucker Comes off the canvas for the decision
# 4 EZZARD CHARLES vs # 13 Gerry Cooney Charles stops Cooney late
# 3 JERSEY JOE WALCOTT vs # 14 Nino Valdez Valdez tough, Walcott by dec.
# 6 GENE TUNNEY vs # 11 David Tua Tunney sticks to gameplan, dec. win
# 7 KEN NORTON vs # 10 George Godfrey Unanimous dec.
# 2 JACK DEMPSEY vs # 15 Earnie Shavers DEmpsey too much for slow moving Shavers

# 1 SONNY LISTON vs # 16 Hasim Rahman The rock shattered into pebbles
# 8 Jack Sharkey vs # 9 JAMES CORBETT Corbett easily outboxes Sharkey
# 5 SAM LANGFORD vs # 12 Eddie Machen tenth round stoppage
# 4 HARRY WILLS vs # 13 Buster Douglas Harry wins a battle of Wills!
# 3 JOE FRAZIER vs # 14 Razor Ruddock a UD win for smokin' joe
# 6 ARCHIE MOORE vs # 11 Sam Mcvea UD win for the 'ol mongoose
# 7 Joe Jeanette vs # 10 VITALI KLITSHKO Tough fight, Vitali by split dec.
# 2 LARRY HOLMES vs # 15 Greg Page Holmes by close dec.

# 1 MUHAMMED ALI vs # 16 Jimmy Bivins Ali UD victory
# 8 Ingemar Johannson vs #9 JIMMY YOUNG Too much defense. UD
# 5 MAX SCHMELLING vs #12 Clarence Henry Max's right ends it in nine
#4 JAMES JEFFERIES vs # 13 Primo Carnera A wild affair, KO in 5
#3 LENNOX LEWIS vs # 14 Fred Fulton Lewis tko in 8
#6 PETER JACKSON vs #11 Jerry Quarry Jerry gives his all but outclassed. Jackson UD.
#7 TIM WITHERSPOON vs #10 Zora Folley Terrible Timmy UD
#2 MIKE TYSON vs # 15 Michael Moorer Good while it lasted. Tyson Ko in 6

Here is the seeding and Bracket Formula. This is the best formula possible to make it unbias and fair. If one of the the four divisions got loaded with talent in the opening round, then tough luck. that is the bracket and its how the seeding works with my top 64 rankings. everyone fits into a specific formula.

#1 Joe Louis A1
# 2 Muhammad Ali B1
# 3 Sonny Liston C1
# 4 Rocky Marciano D1
# 5 Jack Johnson A2
# 6 Mike Tyson B2
# 7 Larry Holmes C2
# 8 Jack Dempsey D2
# 9 George Foreman A3
#10 Lennox Lewis B3
# 11 Joe Frazier C3
# 12 Jersey Joe Walcott D3
# 13 Evander Holyfield A4
# 14 James Jeffries B4
# 15 Harry Wills C4
#16 Ezzard Charles D4
# 17 Floyd Patterson A5
# 18 Max Schmeling B5
# 19 Sam Langford C5
# 20 Wladimir Klitschko D5
# 21 Riddick Bowe A6
# 22 Peter Jackson B6
# 23 Archie Moore C6
# 24 Gene Tunney D6
# 25 Max Baer A7
# 26 Tim Witherspoon B7
# 27 Joe Jenette C7
# 28 Ken Norton D7
# 29 Elmer Ray A8
# 30 Ingemar Johannson B8
# 31 Jack Sharkey C8
# 32 Cleveland Williams D8
# 33 Pinklon Thomas A9
# 34 Jimmy Young B9
# 35 James Corbett C9
# 36 Lee Q Murray D9
# 37 Ernie Terrell A10
# 38 Zora Folley B10
# 39 Vitali Klitschko C10
# 40 George Godfrey D10
# 41 Harold Johnson A11
# 42 Jerry Quarry B11
# 39 Sam Mcvea C11
# 44 David Tua D11
# 45 Ron Lyle A12
# 46 Clarence Henry B12
# 47 Eddie Machen C12
# 48 Tony Tucker D12
# 49 Primo Carnera A13
# 50 Tony Tubbs B13
# 51 Buster Douglas C13
# 52 Gerry Cooney D13
# 53 Fred Fulton A14
# 54 Tommy Loughran B14
# 55 Razor Ruddock C14
# 56 Nino Valdez D14
# 57 Rex Layne A15
# 58 Michael Moorer B15
# 59 Greg Page C15
# 60 Earnie Shavers D15
# 61 Roland Lastarza A16
# 62 Jimmy Bivins B16
# 63 Hasim Rahman C16
# 64 Billy Miske D16

The Finals of Each Division(A's, Bs, Cs, Ds) will the the Elite 8 Match

A's Winner moves into Final 4

D's Winner moves into Final 4

A Winner vs D Winner moves on to Finals

C's Winner moves into Final 4

B's Winner moves into Final 4

C Winner vs B Winner moves on to Finals

Winner of As/Ds vs Winner of Cs/Bs in Finals!!
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Here's the list for the first round.

SuzieQ49 · Mar 30, 2009

Wow some touch decisions to make. I already have 1/4 of the picks done....ill be finishing the rest tonite. There might be some dissapointment for your fans, but then again...thats what happens in march madness every year! if your good at figuring brackets out, some of these guys have very tough draws.

Sister Sledge · Mar 30, 2009

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Quick Cash · Mar 31, 2009

First Round

# 1 Joe Louis vs # 16 Roland Lastarza
# 8 Elmer Ray vs # 9 Pinklon Thomas
# 5 Floyd Patterson vs # 12 Ron Lyle
# 4 Evander Holyfield vs # 13 Tony Tubbs
# 3 George Foreman vs # 14 Tommy Loughran
# 6 Riddick Bowe vs # 11 Harold Johnson
# 7 Max Baer vs # 10 Ernie Terrell
# 2 Jack Johnson vs # 15 Rex Layne

# 1 Rocky Marciano vs # 16 Billy Miske
# 8 Cleveland Williams vs # 9 Lee Q Murray
# 5 Wladimir Klitschko vs # 12 Tony Tucker
# 4 Ezzard Charles vs # 13 Gerry Cooney
# 3 Jersey Joe Walcott vs # 14 Nino Valdez
# 6 Gene Tunney vs # 11 David Tua
# 7 Ken Norton vs # 10 George Godfrey
# 2 Jack Dempsey vs # 15 Earnie Shavers

# 1 Sonny Liston vs # 16 Hasim Rahman
# 8 Jack Sharkey vs # 9 James Corbett
# 5 Sam Langford vs # 12 Eddie Machen
# 4 Harry Wills vs # 13 Buster Douglas
# 3 Joe Frazier vs # 14 Razor Ruddock
# 6 Archie Moore vs # 11 Sam Mcvea
# 7 Joe Jeanette vs # 10 Vitali Klitschko
# 2 Larry Holmes vs # 15 Greg Page

# 1 Muhammad Ali vs # 16 Jimmy Bivins
# 8 Ingemar Johannson vs #9 Jimmy Young -PASS
# 5 Max Schmeling vs #12 Clarence Henry
#4 James Jeffries vs # 13 Primo Carnera
#3 Lennox Lewis vs # 14 Fred Fulton
#6 Peter Jackson vs #11 Jerry Quarry -PASS
#7 Tim Witherspoon vs #10 Zora Folley
#2 Mike Tyson vs # 15 Michael Moorer

Mendoza · Mar 31, 2009

When does the next round start?

SuzieQ49 · Mar 31, 2009

Results come out Today

OLD FOGEY · Mar 31, 2009

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I would say Ingo was an average boxer. He really did not have a good jab or left hook. He was mostly a right hand banger, not a relentless swarmer as say Joe Frazier was. Frazier ate up and spit of smallish boxer types.

The question here is will Young give away many rounds? Young to me is a limited puncher's worst nightmare, because he was not only a good boxer, but had great defensive head movements.

Either way, I think this is one of the better matchups in round one.
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"I would say Ingo was an average boxer. He really did not have a good jab or left hook."

There is film of Ingo against Hein Ten Hoff and Uber Bacilieri which can be accessed via his biography section at Boxrec. I think you mentioned you have seen the Ten Hoff knockout. The Bacilieri fight does give a chance to study his boxing skills.

Ingo definitely did not have much of a left. He pawed with his jab. I did not see him even use a left hook against Bacilieri in eight rounds.

However, Ingo shows quick feet and very good defensive skills. If you look at a photo of Ingo in his later years, there would be no indication he ever was a boxer. He was unmarked. He simply did not get hit that often except by Patterson and even Floyd had trouble hitting Ingo clean, which Floyd commented upon in interviews I have read. He did catch up with Ingo in their second and third fights, showing Ingo had a weak jaw, but I had Ingo ahead at the time of the ko in their third fight. I didn't see Bacilieri land even one good punch in this fight.

You point out how Vitali has won most of his rounds. I would bet that Ingo had a pretty good ratio of rounds won himself, and he never lost a fight on points.

Holmes' Jab · Mar 31, 2009

My choice for winners (in bold):

# 1 Joe Louis vs # 16 Roland Lastarza
# 8 Elmer Ray vs # 9 Pinklon Thomas
# 5 Floyd Patterson vs # 12 Ron Lyle
# 4 Evander Holyfield vs # 13 Tony Tubbs
# 3 George Foreman vs # 14 Tommy Loughran
# 6 Riddick Bowe vs # 11 Harold Johnson
# 7 Max Baer vs # 10 Ernie Terrell
# 2 Jack Johnson vs # 15 Rex Layne

# 1 Rocky Marciano vs # 16 Billy Miske
# 8 Cleveland Williams vs # 9 Lee Q Murray
# 5 Wladimir Klitschko vs # 12 Tony Tucker
# 4 Ezzard Charles vs # 13 Gerry Cooney
# 3 Jersey Joe Walcott vs # 14 Nino Valdez
# 6 Gene Tunney vs # 11 David Tua
# 7 Ken Norton vs # 10 George Godfrey
# 2 Jack Dempsey vs # 15 Earnie Shavers

# 1 Sonny Liston vs # 16 Hasim Rahman
# 8 Jack Sharkey vs # 9 James Corbett
# 5 Sam Langford vs # 12 Eddie Machen
# 4 Harry Wills vs # 13 Buster Douglas
# 3 Joe Frazier vs # 14 Razor Ruddock
# 6 Archie Moore vs # 11 Sam Mcvea
# 7 Joe Jeanette vs # 10 Vitali Klitschko
# 2 Larry Holmes vs # 15 Greg Page

# 1 Muhammad Ali vs # 16 Jimmy Bivins
# 8 Ingemar Johannson vs #9 Jimmy Young
# 5 Max Schmeling vs #12 Clarence Henry
#4 James Jeffries vs # 13 Primo Carnera
#3 Lennox Lewis vs # 14 Fred Fulton
#6 Peter Jackson vs #11 Jerry Quarry
#7 Tim Witherspoon vs #10 Zora Folley
#2 Mike Tyson vs # 15 Michael Moorer

OBCboxer · Mar 31, 2009

# 1 Joe Louis vs # 16 Roland Lastarza
# 8 Elmer Ray vs # 9 Pinklon Thomas
# 5 Floyd Patterson vs # 12 Ron Lyle
# 4 Evander Holyfield vs # 13 Tony Tubbs
# 3 George Foreman vs # 14 Tommy Loughran
# 6 Riddick Bowe vs # 11 Harold Johnson
# 7 Max Baer vs # 10 Ernie Terrell
# 2 Jack Johnson vs # 15 Rex Layne

# 1 Rocky Marciano vs # 16 Billy Miske
# 8 Cleveland Williams vs # 9 Lee Q Murray
# 5 Wladimir Klitschko vs # 12 Tony Tucker
# 4 Ezzard Charles vs # 13 Gerry Cooney
# 3 Jersey Joe Walcott vs # 14 Nino Valdez
# 6 Gene Tunney vs # 11 David Tua
# 7 Ken Norton vs # 10 George Godfrey
# 2 Jack Dempsey vs # 15 Earnie Shavers

# 1 Sonny Liston vs # 16 Hasim Rahman
# 8 Jack Sharkey vs # 9 James Corbett
# 5 Sam Langford vs # 12 Eddie Machen
# 4 Harry Wills vs # 13 Buster Douglas
# 3 Joe Frazier vs # 14 Razor Ruddock
# 6 Archie Moore vs # 11 Sam Mcvea
# 7 Joe Jeanette vs # 10 Vitali Klitschko
# 2 Larry Holmes vs # 15 Greg Page

# 1 Muhammad Ali vs # 16 Jimmy Bivins
# 8 Ingemar Johannson vs #9 Jimmy Young
# 5 Max Schmeling vs #12 Clarence Henry
#4 James Jeffries vs # 13 Primo Carnera
#3 Lennox Lewis vs # 14 Fred Fulton
#6 Peter Jackson vs #11 Jerry Quarry
#7 Tim Witherspoon vs #10 Zora Folley
#2 Mike Tyson vs # 15 Michael Moorer

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