Sweet pea vs PBF resume

he backed down and ran from him for most of the match. Anyone who thinks pea put a "beating" on him or "wooped" him is just plain stupid.

Pea put a beating on Hurtado, Chavez put a beating on ROger Mayweather. Big difference blind kid.

 

It was a Draw.
Check the book's.

 

I sincerely hope you're not referring to me. I haven't cried about anything. I made a decision and moved on.

As for the argument at hand...considering Whitaker holds compubox records for punch output, I believe he had good offense and showed it. When you outthrow and outland somebody, it tells me you were more active offensively. If you were also more accurate, then that's a clean offensive sweep. You can make an argument that it was to set up his defense, but they were still scoring punches. I could just as easily make the argument that Whitaker's defense set up his offense, not vice versa. And if you're argument is that he lacked power, then there is no reason to discuss it further since that is not how I would judge offense (nor would most people). You fight offensively and defensively within the skillset you have. The argument would go in circles and would be pointless.

 

Whitaker had absolutley superb offense. It's like a magic show. Pulling a rabbit out of a hat. You say to yourself as the magician pulls the rabbit out of the hat "how the hell did he do that" that kind of statement weighs on your mind first and foremost when you think of Whitaker and his defense. He's remembered as a defensive wizard, thus his offense becomes overlooked. Duran is the exact same although the otherway around. His offense comes to mind first and his defense gets terribly overlooked.

Whitaker was accurate, threw varied combinations upstairs and downstairs, and without question had a jab up there with the greats in that category. Certainly better than Chavez' jab.

IMO Whitaker's performance against Ramirez in their rematch is as good an offensive performance as Chavez ever showed, excluding power. But you don't need to be powerful to have a good offense even though the more power a fighter has the more likely he'll attack for longer periods during a fight.

 

Whitaker has a better resume.

But not easily.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcXtxaualiM&feature=related

Part of the whitaker chavez fight for those who haven't seen it, i let everyone make up there minds on whitakers offensive skills, espicially from about 2.05 on the film for his inside fighting skills

 

Let's see Ramshall's dumbass respond to that.

 

I think Whitaker's resume is better, but not by much. Whitaker, imo, is a Top15 ATG.

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I agree that its quite close, as i said earlier on in the thread chavez is what gives pea the advantage for me, take him out it would be very very close, and if pbf comes back and beats cotto it would also be close but at the moment i've got it to whitaker and i'm a big mayweather fan

 

Even without Chavez, Azumah Nelson and Buddy McGirt make the decision for me here. Remember, Whitaker fought McGirt (#5 P4P by Ring at the time) and Chavez (#1 P4P by Ring) back to back. People forget how good McGirt was. Nelson is an ATG. And the Vasquez win is also underrated. Whitaker had no business at 154 and beat Vasquez who's only loss at the time was a DQ loss to Verno Phillips. Vasquez had beaten Winky Wright and Javier Castillejo.

 

you still crying. :|

Only a ***** wants someone banned for stating a boxing opinion on a ****ig board designed for boxing opinions.

 

No I was referring to EZE and Pea.

IMO offense includes the intention of the punches . .. in other words if a boxer throws 50 pitter pat jabs and runs while the other guy throws 50 power shots with bad intentions then even though they throw an exual number of punches - the guy that threw the power punches had more offense.

This is a "hurt" sport and to pretend that hurting the other guy is not part of the offensive game is just wrong IMO.

BTW, it seems plainly obvious that Whitakers D was first and foremost in his gameplan, therfore his D set up any offense he employed . .. except of course when he had to turn up the O - ie, the Hurtado fight.

 

It's not simply a hurt sport. There are a number of ways to go about winning otherwise the scoring would only include effective power punching, not clean effective punches (no emphasis on power). Fighters without great power should not be put at such a disadvantage when scoring a fight. Besides, Whitaker, as displayed in the clip posted here, throws many power shots, not just jabs.

It's not obvious to me that a guy who has thrown over 1000 punches in a fight a number of times is focused first on defense. He simply was so good at it that it is more focused on by others.

Anyways, like I said, we have had a similar discussion on Mayweather, so there is no point in going around in circles. Agree to disagree shall we?

 

Yup, well have to agree to disagree. And props for not acting like a sensative girlfriend like the others.

I dont think we've ever discussed it but one can tell that you probably scored SRL-Hagler for SRL and I scored it for Hagler based on how we view "offense".

Its fun to dissect the sport . . .damn were some ****in boxing junkies.

 

I actually scored Hagler vs Leonard for Hagler:hey

Different set of circumstances there. I weigh everything relative to each other. Hagler landed harder shots, Leonard more shots. But Leonard wasn't doing it throughout the entire round. I felt he was trying to "steal" rounds with flurries.