T.K.O. in 6

Tecnically KO'd

inside 6 rounds.

perfect end to a career, leave someone begging, and not being arsed to go through another tough training camp, and retire wealthy.

Lewis is the freking man

obviously the tough camp and training would of been easier than the actual fight.

Lewis didnt want none of that.

<3 Lewis

 

Never saw any posts from you about boxing history. You only post about Vitaly.
Also, regarding HW age I posted this and you failed to respond. I didn't see any links. The discussion is on page 185(no links there, crazy guy). You were claiming that HWs are old in early 30s.

Price age 29 and had 15 fights, just starting out
Pulev age 31 and 17 fights, also just starting out
Wladimir almost 37 and in his absolute prime now
Vitaly still a champ and almost 42
Helenius age 28 and only 18 fights - a baby by pro boxing terms
Adamek 36 and in prime form
haye is 32 and definetly not old lol
Povetkin 33 and didn't even reach his prime
Glazkov is 28 and just starting out
Wach 32 and also nowhere near old
Arreola 31
Wilder is 27 and still a baby
Jenning 28 and also still a baby

 

This thread just keeps delivering.

 

:happy

Maybe one day the conspiracy theories will prove to be true. :hey

 

This debate carried over into another thread if you remember correctly and I most certainly posted links including how the average NFL lineman is retired by 28. And I never said heavyweight were old in their early thirties, I said that's when athletes start to physically decline, and that is an absolute fact. You're trying to say today's heavyweights age differently than other athletes. The sorry truth is heavyweight are able to compete at an older age today because the talent level has fallen off so dramatically.

Now why don't you get back to making an ass of yourself trying to accuse me of having more than one account because there are other users on here with the user name jab. Lol, you ****ing moron! :yep

 

lol, what a load of bull****. NFL has nothing to do with boxing. Ballerinas are old at 17 lol so what? It's different for every sport. Weight lifters and bodybuilders are competitive at 40.
We are talking about boxing here and not other sports, so please use arguments from boxing and not NFL.
The list above that I posted shows the age of HW boxers and clearly they reach prime in mid 30s and start getting old in late 30s and early 40s.
Also, if HW talent level would be low wouldn't it mean that they would be less competitive at advanced age? Better athletes, who are always in shape etc, train harder, last longer. George Foreman fought at 48, so according to you he is a talentless hack? According to your argument Holyfield and Holmes only fought into their 40s because they are talentless and some **** fighter who eats junk food, smokes crack and retires at 30 is talented? lol what an idiot. Actually a lot of the talented boxers fought when they were old. Foreman, Holmes, Holyfield, Jones, Vitaly all had dedication and fought for long time, and fighters with bad training habits and no talent got old pretty quickly.

p.s. if the debate was carried into a differnt thread show the link please lol

 

The idea that heavyweights age "slower" than other athletes and boxers in other divisions has some merit, especially as today's HW division has become more about size than ability or athleticism.

But, no athlete can offset time.
Heavies suffer less, as their experience allows them to compensate for their declining speed and stamina.

Look at the 28 year ok Lewis against the 35 year old.

Different fighters physically. (Ignore the technical improvements Steward implemented)
Young Lewis is a leaner, faster fighter. The old one is much more solid, less mobile but craftier.

The idea that this has always been the case is false though.

When Lewis beat Vitaly he was something like the 3rd oldest HW champ in history. Ali was considered old against Foreman at 32.
Foreman retired first time round at 28.

When heavies were simply big men, their ages were comparable with other sports. There were always big men, but the more skilled, faster guys could beat them. Doesn't happen anymore.

There is no doubt the talent level is falling at heavy. In the past, old guys were the exception. Stories like foreman were mind blowing because of it.

Now, guys that were never that good are still competitive at a late age. The run of guys that were never that good in their prime - like Maskaev, Briggs etc. that were winning belts until Wlad got them sll or Vitaly unretired after waiting for Rahman to get old - just shows the drop off in recent years.

 

lol, most of the fighters from the 90s era did awful against fighters of 2000s. Maskaev was leveled by Peter. Briggs was beaten easily by Ibragimov, Vitaly and Mccline. Holyfield also lost to Byrd, Ruiz, Ibragimov, Toney etc.. Golota lost vs Ruiz and had a draw with Byrd. If 90s were so much better then even older versions of 90s fighters should at least be competitive with 2000s fighters. But they all got dominated with ease.
That's laughable to think that Vitaly retired because he was scared of Rahman. Rahman was KOed by Maskaev ffs and Vitaly is on totally different level.
Also, are you implying that Klitschkos are just big and got no skills? Then how come Tye Fields or Julius Long are not champions?

 

The fact that Hasim Rahman was getting a title shot recently is a ****ing disgrace.

Guys like Rahman, Holyfield (Who should have been retired 20 years ago), Shannon Briggs have gotten title shots paints a crappy picture of what should be the stalwart division.

 

Maskaev didn't win a title in the 90s.
He won one when past his best. Against a 30 odd yr old Rahman. And as for "Peter whacked him". So did a few guys in the 90s. That's why he couldn't evev get a title shot back then.

Briggs didn't win a title when he was somewhere near his best either. Had to beat one of the current crop.

Hell, if I was being mischievous I could say Corrie sanders had to wait until he faced a current fighter before winning a belt. A near prime Rahman was too much for him.

Rahman is still getting shots despite being shot, and 40.

Holyfield at Christ knows what age, shot to **** - could legitimately claim to being robbed of a title recently.

You cannot tell me this shows a healthy crop of young up and comers.

 

BadDog getting owned!!

 

That's how you bend a poster over and use your palm to administer a sound bit of discipline to his backside.

 

Discuss.

Marquez knocking Manny Emmanuel Dapidran out COLD. I don't even know if Manny is awake yet

Or TKO6

Lewis beating Klit.

 

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