Tactics Pac could use to prevent "running"

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  1. this_and_that

    this_and_that Boxing Addict Full Member

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    My bad, I'm obviously still disappointed at Pac's poor ring cutting abilities and overall performance against Shane.

    To anwer your question though, the double lunge he was doing reached Shane even though the latter was on full retreat.
    He will lunge in with a right, then appear to be standing flat footed, then lunge again with a straight left to start a combination.
    I'm not sure what round(s) I saw that in that boring fight.:tired
     
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  2. 12downfor10

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    No it's not impossible, Pac had a lot more success when he got pissed off and upped the tempo from round 10 onwards, he has the footspeed and handspeed to get to mosely even when shane's on back foot. He just doesn't know how to cut the ring off expertly. Which isn't really a critiscm of him as he doesn't have to normally
     
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  3. 12downfor10

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    fair enough frequently
     
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  4. PaoloMirani

    PaoloMirani Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yo genius, cutting off the ring isnt a baiting tactic. Cutting off the ring is a pressing tactic. When you're winning every round you shouldnt even need to press anymore, the onus then is for the other guy to come to you and try to press you. When the other guy isnt doing that, that means the other guy has resorted to spoiling the fight instead of trying to win. Read the original post...what tactics could pac have used to prevent running/spoiling. .

    LEARN HOW TO COMPREHEND BRO

    if you dont know how that is just stop posting.
     
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  5. 12downfor10

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    If he had cut the ring off better he woulda been in a position to throw more punches, ideally to the body, try and wear him down. It wouldn't be easy to do but you would need a world class performance to draw out a negative HOFer. I agree with you about why pac looked pissed off though. He just loves a tear up :bbb
     
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  6. PaoloMirani

    PaoloMirani Boxing Addict Full Member

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    From a technical standpoint yes, but ask yourself if you've essentially won the fight and the other guy is in full retreat...how much incentive do you have to keep on pressing? All this **** about cutting off the ring...gimme a break, trust me if Pac was losing you would see him cutting off the ring more effectively. If theres a sense of urgency he will cut off the ring just fine...check out the last 2 rounds of that fight. What we had last wknd was one guy playing spoiler just out to pick up a paycheck. No fan in thier right mind wanna see that kinda **** ever again...unfortunately that seems to be a growing trend with Pac fights. The point is Pac needs to learn lil tricks to prevent this and to force the guy to think he can win. This will make the other guy fight back. And thats what fans want---exchanges...you know, an actual fight...not a goddamned track meet.
     
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  7. HellSpawn86

    HellSpawn86 "My heart goes out to you!" Full Member

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    Your title says: Tactics Pac could use to prevent "running"

    Answer: cut off the ring

    Anyhow, there isn't a way to make a guy fight you back once you have intimidated him already. Mosley's intent was to stay out of harms way. The only other thing Pac could do was at the beginning of the fight was land some soft touches and take some free shots, but that is no guarantee Mosley would have fought him. He probably would have seen the trap, and with the first power shot he was going to put on his track shoes. It would have been a boring fight whether Pac cut off the ring or not because Mosley wasn't intent on fighting. If he would have cut off the ring then he maybe would have been able to get the KO.
     
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  8. 12downfor10

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    Cutting the ring off is a legitamate tactic to get a fighter out of survival mode by forcing them to fight (even if they don't want to fight, despite needing to do so to win [survival]). Not trolling bro, just it is a good tactic.
    As for what else he could've done.... :huh maybe he shoulda done what you said and invite mosely to centre ring but I doubt shane woulda been too eager to do that and manny's patience probably woulda snapped first. Suppose he could've thrown caution to the wind, turn the tempo up and go for it hell for leather and either tried to bomb him out or let shane would've had some success and came out of his shell a little bit. As I've said it would take something special to draw shane out of his shell
     
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  9. Indio-Bandido

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    fight mexicans
     
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  10. 12downfor10

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    Well it's not a tactical problem then is it?
     
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  11. PaoloMirani

    PaoloMirani Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well me personally, baiting someone to engage is a tactic. ie; Ali's rope-a-dope...one example of baiting. Maybe pac should've tried that last wknd.
     
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  12. PaoloMirani

    PaoloMirani Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ha...good one, maybe there's an element of truth to that. It was a mentality problem that made Pac/Shane suck balls.
     
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  13. Mrtibbs

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    Sorry but all he has to do was cut the ring off properly and not just follow Shane.

    IMO it was either and off night, leg problems as he said after the fight, or he could be slipping.

    Either way if the Pac who fought Marg fought Shane then it would have been a possible TKO. His next fight will reveal all.

    But i just cant belive people are actually making out this was Shane fault. Yes he fought a negavtive fight, but if the P4P number one fighter in the world cant figure him out then why the hell is he the P4p number one?
     
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  14. bald_head_slick

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    There are a million and one things to do if a guy is doing that.

    -- cut off the ring
    -- feints
    -- go high/low and low/high with shots
    -- trap him against the ropes and use footwork to split the guard

    Pac just is a one dimensional hype job. So he could do nothing but chase, miss, and be blocked all night long. This is how a real skilled fighter handles a situation like that:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0xqJlScl6I&feature=related[/ame]


    Vernon did that and the Mosley he faced was ten times the Mosley Pac faced!
     
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  15. Kel1981

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    He won every round, what else does he need to do?
     
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