Takam vs Povetkin should have been for vacant WBC title

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  1. GGGfans

    GGGfans Active Member Full Member

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    And certainly not Stiverne vs Arreola II, that didn't make sense.
    I'm surprised it didn't cause more scandal in 2014.
     
  2. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wbc was in tank for Wilder. It was all a long set up
     
  3. RB1702

    RB1702 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It’s amazing how guys like Martin and Stiverne will go down in history as world champions and Povetkin doesn’t. Povetkin would ice them both easily. Boxing politics init. Would also help if Povetkin didn’t test positive for a banned substance, it was unfair since the banned substance was legal only a few months before the test. Povetkin’s team were to blame for not getting him off it soon enough. He would have absolutely murdered Wilder if they fought.
     
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  4. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Povetkin was coming off of the loss to Wlad at the time and Takam was coming off of the draw against Mike Perez. There were better options than Arreola who got the special Mexican treatment from WBC and Stiverne who was in line for the WBC title shot even before Vitali officially retired, but the timing wasn't right for Sasha and Takam.
     
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  5. jaytxxl

    jaytxxl Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Believe it or not at that time it was really to crown a Mexican Heavyweight Champion in Cris Arreola. He just didn’t do his part. As far as the vacant belt Povetkin had just lost to Wlad and Takam had drew with Price in a fight that would have made him #2 in the rankings behind Stiverne. Stiverne was already Vitali’s mandatory after beating Arreola a year prior before Vitali retired. Povetkin losing and Takam getting a draw allowed the WBC to rank Arreola #2 after beating Seth Mitchell.
     
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  6. chico g

    chico g Let's watch some Sesame Street...lmao Full Member

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    Povetkin had his chance. But he couldn't stop with his precious drugs, and the bomb squad put a halt to his title shot, and pulled the carpet rug out from his feet.
     
  7. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    How did you figure that one out?

    Arreola was ranked WBC #1 contender and Stiverne was ranked WBC #2 contender.

    They fought an elimination bout for Vitali's title in 2013.

    When Vitali retired , they fought for the vacant belt.

    Povetkin was unranked by the WBC when the elimination bout was decided by the WBC in 2013. He was still unranked when they fought for the vacant belt in 2014.

    Povetkin fought his own eliminator bouts in 2014 and because mandatory challenger in 2015.

    He followed the same path as Stiverne.

    There was no scandal because Povetkin was not ranked by the WBC until May 2014.

    Stiverne vs Arroela II was fought in April 2014.
     
  8. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Thats a lie. Povetkin fought Char after Wlad. So Povetkin was on a W at the fight. He also won WBC International fight(another paper belt) against Char. Takam was with just 1 lost, and was on 12W streak(with 1 draw against Perez), but before he fought Povetkin, he won against Thompson, so your entire post is blatant lie.
    And Arreola has just 1 fight after his lost to Stiverne, a win vs a nobody. And then he suddenly fight for a World Title. Politics at highest level.
    And to answer the OP, yeah this was a joke, just all the protection WBC put on Wilder in his reign time.
     
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  9. jaytxxl

    jaytxxl Well-Known Member Full Member

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    When Stiverne vs Arreola 2 happen Povetkin hadn’t fought Charr yet. He fought Charr two weeks later and Takam had a draw to determine #2 in the WBC rankings. Stiverne had beaten Ray Austin to become Vitali’s mandatory but Vitali retired and he maintain his position by beating Arreola the first time. This had nothing to Wilder and all to do with Sulaiman trying to crown a Mexican HW champion when the rematch was ordered for the vacant title. Arreola was the betting and media favorite to defeat Stiverne in the rematch, but instead he was KO’d.
     
  10. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Yeah they act fast to get the champion they want. They could have very easily made an elimination tour or something.
    Again with what Arreola deserved this chance? He already have 3 loses in his record, wasn`t a high quality boxer, and on top of that has just lost to Stiverne. That rematch, and a title fight was a joke.
    And Stiverne becoming mandatory is the same joke. He fought pretty much nobody, he lost to nobody(that lose was a joke too), and putting him against Austin(who lost his previous fight, and was ancient at that time(40 years old) was a joke as well.
    Stiverne pretty much became a champion, fighting a ancient fighter, who almost beat him(Austin), and 2x time Arreola, another joke.
    But the whole WBC is a joke from very very long time. Its a joke organization with a paper champ(until recently) who defended their paper champion for so so long at all cost.
     
  11. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You are a moron. Povetkin/Charr happened exactly 20 days after Stiverne/Arreola 2. And Takam/Thompson happened 27 days after. Anyone with a braincell could check on boxrec.
     
  12. GGGfans

    GGGfans Active Member Full Member

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    Stiverne vs Takam surely would have been a much better fight. Arreola had just lost and against Stiverne ...
     
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  13. jaytxxl

    jaytxxl Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Takam had left room for the WBC to screw him when he had the draw with Perez as the winner of that fight was gonna be #2 in the rankings and would have been Stiverne’s opponent for the vacant title. Arreola had just beat Mitchell and Sulaiman couldn’t resist the opportunity to crown a Mexican HW champ

    Stiverne was no different than the rest of Vlad mandatories. If you look at the WBC mandatory defenses in last decade between Wilder and Vlad it’s pretty bad..
     
  14. Safin

    Safin Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    :risas3:

    All top level athletes are using pharmaceuticals. Do you think that their "sports doctors" and "medical teams" are there to do their blood work, check that their hematocrit, haemoglobin and blood pressure? They are there to administer the finest "sports medicine" on the market.

    Anti-doping policy and governance is ineffective. Have you ever wondered why no other competitors hold grudges against outed "cheaters", who tried or rendered them unconscious while on these "cheaters drugs"?

    Lance was the most tested athlete in history and never failed anti-doping protocol.

    I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but your heroes are on the gas.