Take away the 8th and 12th rounds, Punches in Cotto v. Canelo

A lot of rounds were very very close and the judges give them to Canelo. I score some of the rounds even.
Tho i dont agree with the judges card i also think that Canelo won the fight, but it was closer then the score show.
In some rounds that judges probably give them to Canelo, Cotto starting good, but then finish the round too lazy/inactive.
That could turn the scales to Canelo.

 

I think fundamentally the more harder shots were from Canelo which made it seem he hurt Cotto more

But at this age - Cotto was still able to tag canelo (not really hurt him but respect him)

 

...we're still believing that compubox is accurate?

 

HEY! :nono

These buttonpushers are highly paid professionals, and they know what they're doing... like the referees and judges! :bart

 

Unfortunately, I'm starting to think that compubox is a lot like refs and judges. Sometimes they get it right, and sometimes they are way off.

 

Seperating each round and judging it independently as it should, by my visual eye a lot of the rounds were fairly even as far as connects, but what separated the fighters that the judges sided with Canelo was the fact that he threw a variety of different punches. The jab, hook, right hand, uppercut......
While Cotto main point of offense was the quick out and back jab that wasn't carrying a whole lot of mus**** behing it.

Canelo's punch attempts and lands carried so much more weight and value behind it. Bernardo Osuna from ESPN commented, "I was at ringside and you could hear the difference in the punshes being connected."

That was the difference in the fight and the reason why the scores were what they were.

Boxing won with how wide that decision was imo.
It has to be driven to the minds of punch and judy fighters that a jab doesn't carry the same weight of other punches that are thrown with more leverage.

 

I agree with this. Boxing needs to go back to the days when you lost a fight for back-peddeling (DLH-Tito rounds 10-12) and flicking a jab.

 

Its fine if you want to lateral and flick a jab, but in doing so, that fighter has to keep in mind to be much busier and land much more punches than the opponent.
A good example is Rigo. He's in all these boring fights where he just moves, defends, and flicks a jab.
Rigo is rightly banking rounds because he's doing so much more than his opponent as far as connects.

If you're going to back away and flick a jab, you have to back that up by not getting hit.
The problem with Cotto vs Canelo is that he got hit at least just as much as he was hitting, only he was getting hit cleaner and harder than the connects he landed.
This was happening round after round, which is why it was Canelo banking the rounds in the official scorecards.

 

It is like refs and judges. It always has been.
Individuals at ringside push buttons, judging for themselves if a punch connected or not.
So many punches that miss the mark or are blocked are counted as punches and vice versa as you also have a lot of connects that land and are not counted.

In the case of Canelo vs Cotto, I think that punchstats were within the reason of that actual fight.
Cotto was busier but landed less.
Canelo was less busier but a lot more accurate.
Most of Cotto's connects were with the jab, while Canelo threw more straight rights, hooks, and uppercuts (the power game)

 

People that thought cotto won

Puerto Ricans.
Cotto nut huggers.
Canelo haters.
Amateur boxing judges.
People who bet on cotto.

 

Suprisingly, a lot of the people that think it was close, gave the 12th to Cotto.

 

Wrong. Canelos punches were CLEARLY the harder, cleaner punches. So using your very own logic, in instances where the stats a nearly identical, it only makes sense to award the stronger, and most damaging fighter. Canelo was the one in this instance, inflicting the damage.

I do not see how anyone can view differently

 

Leonard got the decision controversially.
Leonard would have always gotten a decision like that because he was America's apple pie who would have gotten the benefit of the doubt in every round that was close enough.

Hagler would have had to have pummeled Leonard round by round to get a decision.