Tale of the Tape - Who had the better Career De La Hoya or Trinidad

How did Tito leave behind a stronger legacy? His biggest win was a robbery in over 90% of the boxing fan's eyes... and he lost to the other best fighters that he fought. He also retired after everytime that he got beat. He was also embarrassed and outclassed about 4 times now? Which has never happened to Oscar. Oscar may have lost to some great fighters, but he was always competitive. Oscar also has wins over great fighters.... even ATG's like Chavez and Whitaker while they were still Champs. Whitaker was #1 pd 4 pd when Oscar beat him. People always love to downplay those wins now though. Look how long Trinidad was at 147 with Whitaker and Quartey, without fighting them. Oscar moves up and beats Whitaker in his very first fight at 147, and also fights and beats Quartey. Tito fights Whitaker after Whitaker gets out of a 6 month crack rehab, and then he fights Oscar. So, Oscar in that short amount of time at 147 had fought Whitaker while he was #1 pd 4 pd, Quartey when he was undefeated, and Tito when he was undefeated (and got robbed). Let alone all of the guys that Oscar has beat along the way that Tito never fought. The "Tito's leftovers" is the most ******ed theory that I have heard people say on this message board. People even call Mayorga "Tito's leftovers", as if Mayorga never lost before he fought Tito.

Really... what did Tito do to leave behind a stonger legacy?

 

that is a really tough question

both were great in their primes and now both lose every other fight as of the last couple years

i gotta go with DLH, but not my much

 

Oscar de la Hoya.

 

De La Hoya.

 

Thank you....I mean, its really not that close. No idea how Trinidad got that many votes already.

:huh

 

Trinidad accomplished more at 147 than DLH.. longer reigning champion, and also a unified champion.

Trinidad's best wins - Vargas, Campas, Carr, Whitaker, Camacho, Reid, Joppy, Mayorga.

DLH's best wins - Whitaker, Quartey, Chavez, Camacho, Vargas, Mayorga, Campas, Gatti.

I give the edge to Trinidad for a better reign at 147, and for also more decisively beating better versions of certain fighters. I'm not even a Trinidad fan but if someone were to make me choose, I'd say Tito has the slightly better legacy.... I'd also like to add that anyone who Trinidad lost to Oscar would lose to as well, IMO.

 

i agree..:good TITO wins

 

Tito !! by a land slide ... he beat DLH head to head and he was the first to do everything above 147 between the two.

 

Tito also beat quality guys in their prime ... he ended the careers of many fighters as well.

DLH was just picking up where Tito left off and did a worse Job than Tito did at times.

 

You are missing a few of Oscar's best wins.

John John Molina

Jesse James Leija - coming off a recent win over Azumah Nelson (Oscar knocked him out in 2)

Rafael Ruelas - 43-1 Lightweight Champ (Oscar knocked him out in 2)

Jorge Paez

Miguel Angel Gonzalez 41-0

Genaro Hernandez 32-0-1 - Champ before and after Oscar beat him.

Obe Carr - Was listed for Tito

Javier Castillejo - Long standing avoided WBC Champ at 154, also went on to become Middleweight Champ after Oscar beat him.

ect... I think you get the point. Oscar's entire career is stockpiled with big fights, and big wins. Let alone his wins over Tito, and Mosley II that were robbed from his resume. However, nobody talks about those fights without dealing with the reality that Oscar proved he was the better man in the ring.

 

DLH Duh!

 

Uhhhh...what?

Oscar beat Whitaker, before Tito.

Oscar fought Quartey, who Tito didn't fight even though they shared the same division for quite some time, (same with Whitaker).

Tito stopped Vargas in the 12th, after a tough fight in which Vargas dropped Tito, and almost stopped him until Tito lowblowed his way to safety. Oscar had a good back and forth fight with Vargas for 5 rounds, then completely took over, dominated, and stopped Vargas in the 11th. One round earlier. Vargas was also extremely ripped out on steroids against Oscar.

Tito stopped Mayorga in the 8th, and was also knocked down by Mayorga... Oscar dropped Mayorga in the 1st, and knocked him out in the 6th.

Tito did stop Carr a few round earlier.... but Carr also dropped Tito in the process.

Tito stopped Campas a few rounds earlier... but Campas also dropped Tito. Oscar just completely dominated Campas and stopped him as well.

Oscar beat Camacho by a wider margin... and dropped him. Camacho said after the fight that Oscar was the best fighter that he ever fought.

I really don't see where you are coming from.

 

I listed Carr for Trinidad and not DLH because Carr falls under the category of a fighter whom Trinidad beat a better version of and beat more decisively as well. And I'll give you the win over Castillejo, but the rest aren't really great wins or big fights. And to be honest the whole thing about Oscar being a six division champion looks a lot better on paper than it would if you actually take the time to dissect it.

130/135 - spent a couple years in each division, which might I add both were relatively weak at the time.

140- spent a couple years here, wins belt over a faded, physically smaller Chavez.

147- his most accomplished weight, wins belt against another faded, physically smaller fighter in Whitaker in a highly disputable decision.

154- Good win over Vargas, although Trinidad beat him more decisively.

160- wins belt out of a robbery against Sturm.

 

Yet, you listed Whitaker for both of them... when Oscar beat Whitaker when he was ranked pd 4 pd #1 in the World, and Tito beat Whitaker when he was fresh out of a 6 month crack rehab? That doesn't make much sense. Also, Tito didn't beat Carr in better fashion, Carr dropped Tito.

How on earth can you say that Tito beat Vargas more decisively? Vargas dropped Tito and almost had Tito beat, and Tito cheated his way out of trouble. Oscar outclassed a roided up Vargas, and stopped him a round earlier....:huh

Oscar also dominated Mayorga with much greater ease... and Tito even made Mayorga move up into his weight class to fight him.

 

Regardless of Whitaker's ranking he was faded when both fighters fought him, although I'll concede that he was shot by the time Tito got 'em. Nevertheless, I don't see why I should exclude a clear win over Whitaker for Trinidad, when DLH also fought a past his prime Whitaker and won only a disputable decision.

Plenty of fighters dropped Tito, yet he always got up and brutalized them afterward.

Well for starters, even if Vargas was allowed to go the distance Trinidad was beating him clearly on points, however I don't remember DLH 'outclassing' Vargas.. as a matter of fact I had the scoring pretty tight.