TALENT POLL TODAY VS 1950'S???did the 50's really have more talent and more skilled??

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by highguard, Dec 1, 2010.


  1. highguard

    highguard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    well yeah boxing was big in germany before too like bodhi say
    but yes former communist countries turing pro has given boxing
    a big boom in europe because these guys have no problem competeing with americans skill wise

    lets not forget a lot of communist european only communist after war world 2 for less then 45 years, it was russia/ussr(eurasia) where communism was there for a long time


    also unlike the 90's when most of top fighters in germany were polish or whatever


    and europe is europe north, west,south,east,central whatever

    all of that area you see a lot big huge boxing shows and the fighters
    dont need to go america to make big money.....just look the successful show in finland
    with froch and abraham, a british guy vs a eurasian(ussr) guy

    now there are many real germans who are top continders and world champions
     
  2. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    I tell you that in Australia boxing isnt a shadow of what it used to be.

    It was a very big sport 50 years ago, with some of the best fighters in the world (and now on reflection of all time) coming down often...National title bouts packing out stadiums and almost bi-weekly shows in all the major east coast cities.

    There are barely 2000 registered boxers in Australia at the moment, amatuer and pro..Probably only a couple of a hundred pros if that.

    There was something like 40000 at some point in the 70's, the former Australian boxrec editor claims.

    Germany has always had a pretty big scene...but places like France, Belgium and the Netherlands had massive ones also..not anymore.
    Same could be said of Italy...Even Portugal was producing a fair few quality fighters in the 40's and 50's, though most were based in the U.S. I dont even remember hearing about a Portuguese boxer even once since Ive following boxing. Even Sweden had an alright scene until they banned it in the early 70's (I think).

    The Cuban influence is no better than it was post-Castro in the 50's...And I dont think that the Eastern Europe influence has been as great as some people want to claim, its still building but outside of a few champs they havent come and swept Americans, Brits and other old guard countries aside.

    The talent pool is certainly not what it was...as competition from other contact and combat sports has grown and boxing has waned.

    Some things have gotten better, but a lot more things have regressed.
     
  3. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah, there are plenty of Eastern Europeans who turned pro. Tell me how many made it big time and were successful? Most of them only at hw. Enough to compansate the drained talentpool in most parts of the west?

    BS. In the 90s most German fighters were actually German. Michaelchewski was an exception then - that started to change in the late 90s/early 00s.

    So tell me were are the great fighters from there that flood boxing. What are their names?

    If you want to make big money in boxing there are three places. The US, the UK and Germany. But that has been the same for decade with the only difference that Germany closed the gap to the US somewhat.

    Oh, yeah a big show in Finnland. Organised by British and German promoters because they wanted a neutral venue and they had a big Finnish prospect on the undercard to get a foot into that market.

    There aren´t many German contenders or world champions.

    hw - none
    cw - Huck, Frenkel
    lhw - Brähmer, Murat
    smw - Abraham, Stieglitz, Gutknecht, Sartison
    mw - Sturm, Sylvester, Zbik
    sww - none
    ww - none
    slw - none
    lw - none
    sfw - Tajbert
    none lower than that.

    Are this many? There are plenty of fighters of other nations fighting out of Germany but actual Germans aren´t that much and actually less than in the decades before. And who of those are actually real world class? Huck, Abraham, Sturm. That´s it. Three guys.