Talent pools and the Irish Traveller community

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  1. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    This is the flipside of some of the discussions I've had with @janitor and @Kamikaze. We often talk about the value of globalized boxing. But I think there's still something to be said for societies where boxing is so widespread that they punch above their weight in producing good fighters.

    The Irish Travellers are a good example. Wiki gives a max population of 350,000 of them, which is about a third the size of Cribb's London. But they appear to have an ingrained boxing culture, and in the modern period, they've produced a WBO champion, a lineal heavyweight champ, and multiple regional / British / Commonwealth champions.

    So small-but-enthusiastic boxing communities might provide a corrective in some of the era vs era discussions. If you can prove that your era of choice was one.
     
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  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Check out the Welsh. It's absolutely crazy. Comparing them with the Scottish makes me feel sad.
     
  3. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Well, you've got Buchanan...
     
  4. sasto

    sasto Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So you can account for whether an era in global boxing was good or not based on whether Irish Travelers were successful because their interest is assumed to be always high and their population is very small as a percent of the global community no matter what year it is?

    That's ****ing brilliant!
     
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  5. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    As I have said in our previous debates, it doesn't take a large population to produce a large talent pool, or a large talent pool to produce an outstanding talent.

    What I will say however, is that the people from the Traveling Community who are elite talents, seem to elect to compete in mainstream boxing.

    Why wouldn't you if you could?
     
  6. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    No, although that's actually a pretty funny approach. My point was a lot more boring.

    I simply meant that if a population of 350k like the Travellers can consistently produce high level fighters against today's globalized talent field, then we shouldn't be surprised if other small populations of the past (say, 1880s Boston) could do it.
     
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  7. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    I just noticed that you have a cat in your avatar.
     
  8. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    That is my cat pretending to be Sonny Liston.
     
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  9. sasto

    sasto Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    But maybe you should?

    Unfortunately though, with the historical chaos in Ireland, it's possible there was a lot of variation in how many were available for professional athletics!
     
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