Talent wise Tyson was athe greatest HW ever

I read the post, and wouldn't wipe my arse on it. You said if "frazier could floor Ali, Tyson could". But Frazier, in three fights covering 41 rounds, could only floor Ali in the final stanza of one of them.

 

And that is what I am responding to, I don't believe he can put someone as smart and crafty as Ali away early. I don't even think it's a possibility that he does, for the reasons I outlined. Ali would move and clinch, frustrating Tyson until he gradually fell out of his game, or Ali started implementing his fully. I think Ali is just too skilled and crafty early on for Tyson to put away, I think he would deal with Tyson's charge perfectly.

 

My bad, I corrected it.

 

Tyson's boxing skills were amazing no doubt, but the reality is he was so flawed as a person, he should not of been boxing.

D'Amato really should of seen this, and if he loved him, like he suggested he did, he should of taken Tyson away from such a pressure sport and helped Tyson sort out his demons.

Those demons were always going to overshadow his natural talent, and that is not just with hindsight, people were talking about Tyson being a car wreck waiting to happen almost from day one.

But money won out, and we the fans wanted our jollies, and as the freak show is no longer politically correct we found a substitute in Tyson. Despite most seeing his flaws and knowing the sport was doing little to help them flaws, we threw money at him to ease our conscience; money that Tyson too could not handle.

 

Again, I agree. However, boxing history has shown us that a great chin beats a great punch far more often than not. Also, say for arguments sake, Ali & Tyson are #1 and 2 of all-time and they did fight at their respective bests, then it's likely that 'both' would have successes in the fight and judging by their careers, Ali could recover from his opponents 'successes', tyson couldn't. The ALL-TIME #1 in anything, boxing, or another sport, would never really annihilate the #2.

 

D'Amato and Jacobs dying and Tyson firing Rooney and Clayton, did not change much, perhaps only speeded things up, Tyson was on the road to destruction the moment he turned pro. By the time he beat Frazier and Berbick is such amazing fashion, he could not stop what is and has happened.

I hope I am wrong, but I suspect Tyson is probably going to die in some awful gutter a total wreck of a man. An intelligent man who lacked the ability to handle his fame and his genius not least because the people who guided him where either after redemption (D'Amato), fame (Rooney, Bright, etc) or Money (King, Clayton, etc); and not interested in trying to guide Tyson the right way.

Evolution is strange, it can give some an amazing talent, but normally the talent cannot be controlled long term by that individual and that person without the correct guidance will destroy themselves with the heavy burden of that genius.

 

Actually, I just printed your post off and did indeed wipe my arse on it and found it soft, strong and thoroughly absorbent. Only Kings Ransdsom's posts in the lounge compare with such quality loo roll.


Seriously, you seem like a decent enough fan of The Fragile One, it's just your inital post masde you look like a 'huggist'. :good

 

But what I am saying is D'Amato only took on Tyson because of the boxing, not because of the human. Tyson's personality disorder was never going to benefit from the genius of his boxing, so boxing has done him mentally no good.

The money and fame he gained also exposed him, if Cus really wanted to help, why did he not support him in a loving household, paying for the psychological help Tyson needed and developing Tyson's intelligence in a manner that helped, not hindered, his demons?