Talent wise Tyson was athe greatest HW ever

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  1. Popshots

    Popshots Active Member Full Member

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    No, I didn't say anything I just typed it in, but as for saying "Tyson is invincible" I never said that or wrote that you just did. If you believe thats what I believe then apparently you haven't been paying attention to the post very well. My point is I'm not afraid to state my opinion contrary to what everyone else is posting, thats what leaders are made out of, standing up for what they believe no matter what it is.
     
  2. Popshots

    Popshots Active Member Full Member

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    Listen and Tyson are two different beast. He might favor tyson in some ways, but he's no Tyson.

    1.) Guys have lasted the distance with a peak Tyson true, but there are many times when a lesser fighter last the distance and a better fighter is taken out rather quickly.
    2.) Ali may frustrated Tyson, which is why he'd need to get him out early and he has the talent to make it happen.

    Believe me I know how, Ali moves and he's the only one that I believe that would give Tyson trouble, but nonetheless Tyson has the talent to take anyone out.
     
  3. Popshots

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    I never claimed that my thoughts were original, you did. You're reading more into what I wrote. I'm a leader, meaning I can form an opinion that isn't popular and defend it. I don't know if you've noticed, but I don't care what people on the internet think about me.
     
  4. Popshots

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    I know what Tyson's weaknesses are. I see him having trouble with Ali if the fight went past 4 or 5 rounds, but he'd crush Louis.
     
  5. Popshots

    Popshots Active Member Full Member

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    Tyson didn't have those people around him and crumbled from the inside with that Douglas fight. True a big fast man with a jab gives him trouble and thats why a prime Tyson would have to end it early. Tyson lacked size, but he defeated big men in his day. I remember him fighter Frank Bruno and he was stunned by a punch, but he got the job done.
     
  6. Popshots

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    Dempsey and Louis are very talented, along with all of the all times greats in their way.

    I usually bet on boxing and I've never been wrong, but I must admit If Tyson fought Louis or Dempsey I'd go for Tyson 100% of the time, but against Ali, I wouldn't bet knowing what I know. As I've said, Tyson has the talent to win, but if it goes beyond round 4 or 5 it might be a wrap.
     
  7. mr. magoo

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    That was somewhat childish.
     
  8. Popshots

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    If I were to insult you on the internet.. thats childish, but to not care what someone thinks of you on the net isn't childish its keeping things in perspective. To many people take what others say, and of all places the internet to heart. Which is why when I'm called a "huggist" I don't take it personally, because I don't care.
     
  9. sthomas

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    The main reason I mentioned Liston is because it was Clay/Ali's first title fight and against a very formidable champion. I believe Liston was a better fighter than anyone who Tyson faced pre-Spinks. Ali got much better after that fight to boot

    There are many times when a championship fighter KO's pretty much everyone who stands in their way, until they meet Ali and that happened on several occasions. Ali's ability to withstand everyone he faced, without ever being stopped (Holmes does not count), plus the fact that Tyson did not KO everyone in his way, plus the fact Tyson would be dealing with Ali's fantastic offense, makes me conclude that an early KO, or Ko period by Tyson over Ali is not very likely. The odds of Ali KO'ing Tyson are somewhat greater than the reverse IMO. and the odds of Ali winning a decision are even greater.
     
  10. prime

    prime BOX! Writing Champion Full Member

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    If talent includes natural ability and development of same, Tyson and Ali are almost supernatural.

    In terms of natural endowment, Tyson was uniquely blessed with that squat, powerful body, muscular arms and legs, thick neck and granite chin. And he worked it to greatness.

    Ali had a natural athlete's body, but I dare say so do many other kids around the Louisville area. In his case, I think he worked harder to become who he was, even speaking of visualizing himself as, oh so fast. His is a wonderful case of vision, speaking what you want and, of course, unique dedication to blood, sweat and tears to become the Greatest.
     
  11. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    I said i 'thought' you were a huggist on your first post but you turned out "an ok Tyson" fan, if you'd have read the post properly, instead of of being stuck up your own arse trying to convince yourself you're some sort of 'leader'. I've no idea who you're 'leading' by the way, there's no one seemingly following you. But good luck with that anyway.



    ps. That time you went to an all-Elvis fancy dress party as Sam Cooke didn't make you a leader neither, it just made you look silly. :good
     
  12. Popshots

    Popshots Active Member Full Member

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    gotcha.. I understand Tyson not Knocking everyone out which no HW has ever done and I totally understand Ali's marvelous abilities in the ring. I know all about it. Tyson putting Ali away early may not be likely, but its not impossible. Tyson's early press would give anyone trouble, i don't care who it is. Sure Tyson didn't knock everyone out, but who has. Ali has an impressive chin and has been able to withstand the likes of Foreman, but Tyson was more then a one dimensional fighter. He could go to the head or to the body. A body blow by Tyson isn't something he's going to shake off. Foreman is more of a head hunter, but Tyson is a precision puncher that goes up stairs or downstairs. Ali would be his toughest opponent for many reason I don't doubt it, but I think Tyson has the talent to put Ali away early, but I wouldn't bet on it. I merely said he has the talent to do it.
     
  13. Popshots

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    What you don't understand is that I don't care if you approved of me as "an ok Tyson fan". I don't need your approval to feel good about myself. I'm not trying to convince myself when I already know that I'm a leader. A discussion about Mike Tyson isn't that serious to me, so I'm not trying to convince anyone to change their opinion because where you agree or disagree with me, it doesn't matter. As far as someone following me, its ESB dude its really not that serious. I'm not going to say someone is the greatest when I don't feel that way, thats what leaders do, think outside of the box when they're convinced its time to do so.

    You're insults are pretty weak. I'm highly disappointed at your attempts.
     
  14. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    Who are you 'leading' by the way? You're not doing a very good job of attracting any followers. Your opinion is no different to your average General forum poster, why you think you're original and challenging i just don't know. :huh
     
  15. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    Oh and it's interesting to see your view has seemingly changed from "Tyson destroys Ali" to "I think Tyson has the talent to beat Ali early but i wouldn't bet on it". It looks like your leadership skills are slipping, you've gone from Winston Churchill to John Major within 7 pages.