Talking points memo: Dan Rafael continuing to disgrace himself

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by BigReg, Jun 6, 2008.


  1. BlueApollo

    BlueApollo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Dan Rafael isn't beyond reproach, but this is a silly article to take him to task with. Anyone not born yesterday knows from looking at the released pictures that Zab didn't "fall through a shower door" . Dan Rafael isn't working for the NY Times, and this isn't Valerie Plame he's covering. He's got every right to write a column about Zab Judah based on unnamed sources.

    Are we really arguing that he is less credible than Zab? When he pens the article "Cotto Seen Giggling Uncontrollably", I'll quit defending him, but if someone stepped up to him and said "Yoel went off", why should he have to keep his mouth shut?

    As for the recent fights he's scored atrociously, I'm assuming we're talking about scoring the Calzaghe fight for Hopkins and the Pacquiao fight for Marquez. You're entitled to your opinion, but neither of those cards make him Doug Tucker.
     
  2. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Alot of people scored that fight for Marquez. Nothing wrong with that at all....
     
  3. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    He has no quotes, and can't provide much detail, he claims he has multiple inside sources yet Judah says that Rafael's story is bogus and that he had a very private training camp. I'm sorry but that raises suspicion. I would at least like to read a response from Rafael defending his allegation.
     
  4. Ramshall1

    Ramshall1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    As stated, journalists use unnamed sources all the time. If a source says "I dont want to be named" and a journalist names him anyway - thats when he's a bad journalist.

    And to put Rafael down for dogging alpha soups is just wrong IMO. . . the more exposed these orgs are the better.

    Besides, Who in the hell actually believes Zabs story of how he cut up his arm so badly????
     
  5. Shane_Erich

    Shane_Erich Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Its not suspicious, it happens all teh time in Journalism. This was already reported though by Jin Mosley the day that Zab hurt his arm. Once again you are on your jump to conclusions matt and maybe you should get some real info and not assumptions before you start posting calling someone a liar.
     
  6. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    When the **** did Jin Mosley become a journalist? She can't report **** as she isn't a reporter. And when the hell did she start training with Zab? Furthermore, I never called Rafael a liar, I said he didn't use credible sources.
     
  7. Shane_Erich

    Shane_Erich Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ok, so your just making bad assumptions. How the hell do you know who his sources are and if they are credible or not?
     
  8. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't think the story becomes suspicious based on his using anonymous sources. If Judah had a private camp, they may not want to be quoted because a specific quote could give them away (only so many people around and specific things may have only been seen by specific people)

    Rafael doesn't hate the sport and many many journalists criticize the ABC orgs for the same reason we do here.
     
  9. tragicliston

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    Just because Judah says it's bogus doesn't make it so. Frankly, I find Rafael a much more credible source on this than Judah. Look, it's possible his sources were lying to him, but I've never seen Rafael use his column as a forum to defame anybody and I doubt he's start now.
     
  10. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    I don't know who is sources are. I do know that Zab and his father both vehimately deny that Rafael knows what he's talking about. That right there is reason enough to question his story. And he has yet to respond to Zab.
     
  11. Ramshall1

    Ramshall1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Zab has every reason to lie here, what reason does Rafael have to lie?
     
  12. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Really? Rafael is mor credible than the people that were there? You've never seen Rafael use his forum to defame anyone? He's defamed the sanctioning bodes on numerous occasions even when they've done nothing wrong. He's defamed Showtime, Tarver, Marquez, Kessler, and even HBO for not pumping up the overrated Ring belt enough.
     
  13. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    I never said he lied. I said he didn't have enough evidence to back up his claim.
     
  14. tragicliston

    tragicliston Active Member Full Member

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    No, he has not defamed them-he's given opinions, valid ones, whether you agree with them or not. As for "the people that [sic] were there." Presumably, his sources were people in the camp who didn't want Zab to find out they were blowing his secret.
     
  15. Ramshall1

    Ramshall1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No, he didnt give you the names of the people that gave him his info.

    If he printed their names today ALL of his insider boxing sources would dissapear tomorrow, and rightfully so.

    Most journalists have two credible sources before printing an anonymous story. Ive seen nothing in Rafaels career to question his journalistic integrity now. . . Ive seen a whole lot in Zabs career to question anything he says on matters like these.