Talking points memo: Shane Mosley's darkside coming to light

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by BigReg, Jun 4, 2008.


  1. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    In my opinion. Yes. That would make him a liar and that he knowingly took the illegal supplements.

    But again thats my opinion.

    And I just got on the forums after being off it for a bit.
     
  2. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    You know how many licensed drivers drink excessively and drive? A lot. The overwheling majority of people who drink and drive get away with it. I guess cops should just let that slide seeing as how so many people do it and seeing how it's so easy to get away with it. Now when some drunk driver careens your ass and you're drinking through a straw for the rest of your life, you can think back to this post. If something is illegal, you can't let it slide just because a lot of people are doing it.

    I bet you don't. You're irresponsible just like Mosley.

    You need to pick up a book and do some research before you spout off such non sense.

    It's sad that you feel this way.

    I'm sure it will be legal if irresponible people like yourself get into power.
     
  3. Asterion

    Asterion Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The second fight with Oscar should be a NC.
     
  4. billyconn

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    Can anyone name any professional athlete who was a client of Balco that did not take steroids knowingly?

    If Balco tricked someone into taking a steroid (that the athlete thought was a legal substance) Balco could/would be sued for battery. It just does not make sense on so many levels that Balco tricked athletes into taking steroids.
     
  5. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Spats with his trainer and the way he lets his wife run his life speak to his inability to own up to his actions. His lying about his usage of performance enhancers coupled with him slandering others and wasting the public's time and money just to try to save his skin casts a dark cloud over Mosley.

    I knew it was a matter of time before someone started using red herrings in order to defend Shane. Pulling out the Floyd card was a predictable move as well. Don't worry, Floyd is the subject of tomorrow's talking points memo. Furthermore, you're attacking a point that I didn't make. I never said Shane's marital issues or relationship with his dad were the cause of Shane's legal issues. I said that Shane has problems taking responsiblity for his actions. Because of this, he has filed this ill advised lawsuit. This is a lawsuit that he can't win. I mentioned his relationship with his father as well as his wife after, and only after, you questioned why I said he has a problem taking responsiblity for his actions. Don't twist my words, that's dishonest.
     
  6. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    Wow, you in fact are the one being dishonest reg. I never said that you asserted his marital problems or trainer issues to be the cause of his legal problems and you know this, so why don't you stop playing games? :deal

    What I argued is that you make a vague connection between his not taking responsibility (backed by trivial examples) and current legal problems which are very important, an association you would find problematic if used against Bernard or Floyd.

    And to say using the Floyd example is a red herring is clutching at straws as well, its simply an illustrative example of how posters such as yourself and toopretty have clear double standards.

    Play your games elsewhere.
     
  7. konaman

    konaman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thats completely stupid, of course they help you.

    Thats like saying strength doesn't help a boxer in anyway.

    Roids make muscle building far easier and will give you huge progress gains for a lot less work, that is unfair on other boxers.

    Whilst roids alone aren't going to make a great boxer, thats basically like saying power isn't useful in boxing.
     
  8. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Your posts in this thread have been very nonsensical. However, I apologize if a misreperesented one of your statements

    You don't know what you're talking about. The reason Shane is in court now is because instead of admitting his mistake, he's decided to blame his trainer and Conter for his usage of performance enhancers. He claims they both duped him into using performance enhancers. When Conte pointed out that Shane did in fact know what he was taking, Shane filed this frivolous defemation of character lawsuit in a transparent attempt at manipulating the public into believing that he didn't know what he was taking. It's now backfiring on him. There is a direct link between Shane not taking responsiblity for his actions and this court case. If Shane took ownership for what was put into his body, this court case would've never come about.

    Again, you don't know what you're talking about. Number 1, there is no double standard, and number 2 I have no need to clutch for straws. I have asserted that Shane took illegal perfomance enhancers(this has proven to be true). I have asserted that Shane took said performance enhancers knowingly(the circumstancial evidence stongly suggests that this is true). I have asserted that Shane has problems taking responsiblity for his actions(clearly he does considering how blatantly he's passing the buck in this situation).

    You see, I can back up my claims. It is for this reason that you didn't even address my main point, which is that Shane is casting a dark cloud over himself by lying, and trying to drag other people down with his lies.


    The only one playing games is you. You never addresed my main point, and resorted to throwing out Floyd's name when he has absolutely nothing to do with this issue.
     
  9. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    This will be my last post in this thread. Let's recap the Mosley situation.

    Number 1 - Shane went well out of his way to get supplements from BALCO

    Number 2 - Shane admitted that he was injected

    Number 3 - Shane was paying over $1,000 a month for these "supplements"

    Number 4 - There are now two witnesses who have sworn before a court that Shane knew what he was taking

    So now Shane wants people to believe is going out of his way in order to get injected with $1,000 a month "supplements", and that Conte and his trainer assured him that it was legal. We're also supposed to believe that he accepted this and never questioned the legality of the "supplements" with the State Athletic Commision or any other outside source despite the dubious nature at which the drugs were administered as well as their cost. C'mon, give me a break. Why doesn't Shane just tell us that he has a Martian living in his bedroom? Why doesn't he say that? That would be more believable than this fairy tale that he's trying to sell the public. Own up Shane, the fans are forgiving people. You can still come out of this situation in relatively good shape.
     
  10. pmfan

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    The theory in the reports is that he took them specifically for the DLH fight and was the fresher of the two down the stretch. At least that's what I've been reading. The stuff mentioned in the allegations could definitely improve stamina and even speed. Why do you think all the sprinters do it, and cyclists? There is "clear" (NPI) evidence that it helps in most sports that involve explosive power and endurance as well.
     
  11. Scar

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    First fight Shane won, second he lost. So yes, he did kick his ass once.
     
  12. D.Haye-no1-p4p

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    Who's the ****ing ****** in your avatar? Look's like Sloth's long lost brother.
     
  13. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    Reg I don't dispute the legal problem that Mosley has and as a fan of his it looks bad as I DID say a few pages ago. Your main point is the legal trial, you should have kept clean and just adressed it and it alone.

    But making charachter judgements about the man about outside of the ring activity that neither one of us really understand is something you police in threads about Mayweather, so I simply point out the double standard.

    Perhaps Mosley realized his father wasn't the trainer for him at the time, perhaps he realizes his wife is a intelligent, business minded woman who has his best interest. If you yourself judge this about Mosley, than don't be bothered when other do it about Mayweather or Bernard.
     
  14. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    My main point wasn't just the legal trial. It was also the lying and the slandering. Mosley's trainer had his name smeared and his profession comprimised when Shane claimed that he duped Shane into taking illegal performance enhancers. That's not right. Conte's name has already been dirty for some time now, so it's not that big of a deal. However, he now has to waste time and money defending himself in this pointless lawsuit. The taxpayers have to fund this crap because Mosley wants to perpetrate a lie.

    There is no double standard. People can say whatever the hell they want about Mayweather or any other fighter as long as there is a basis for their criticism. I interject when people start making **** up or twisting the truth. Don't mention legal issues if you don't have any background on the case. I have done plenty of research and read numerous articles about this Mosley case. I'm not spouting off about something of which I have no knowledge.

    Once again, people can say whatever they want; just be able to back it up.
     
  15. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    About the legal issue, I don't doubt you know what your talking about and obviously that was never my problem.

    And about the personal stuff, fair enough. Although I'm not sure how accurately someone can back up stuff like this being that we really have no real insight into it. So long as people can criticize any boxer without it though, and you have no problem with it, then lets just move on.