Talking points memo: Shane Mosley's darkside coming to light

Of course they help. Why else would fighters take them?

"I'm going to risk getting caught taking steroids even when they don't work?"

They allow you to train harder. More training and repetition improves your muscle memory, can make your stronger if you're doing more weights. More intense training sessions so you're in better shape.

There's also the mental aspect of a fighter taking them and believing they have an edge.

 

The rematch with De La Hoya is a no-contest in my book.

He was pretty big at lightweight, I don't think he could've stayed there for that much longer anyway.

I suppose after the losses to Forrest he could have stayed at 147, but De La Hoya was offering him a rematch at 154 and that's very hard to turn down.

 

Strentgh is important. Power is important. They are not neccessary though for a skilled boxer. They don't guarantee a win against technique, ask K9 Brundridge and Joel Julio.

Hell for all the people crying about steroids look at Vargas. How did roids help him out against De La Hoya.

You do not take steroids the day of the event, you take steroids to train. HGH is not going to do **** for you the same day you take it and neither is a steroid, they are supplements for TRAINING.

Cyclist and runners usually take testosterone or something like erythropoietin the day of competition none of which is what is contained in the clear, the cream being just a concealor.

 

Like someone said before. They allow to train harder, longer and add to muscle memory. WHich allows you to practice longer to snap that jab the way you want. It allows you to throw more punches.

Roids are a big help for any boxer. Who's to say if Mosley didn't take roids, DLH would of caught him perfectly, but since he took roids he was able to roll at the last minute with the shot.

 

Roids obviously are not going to guarantee anything, just like it won't guarantee a baseball player to dramatically increase his slugging percentage or a track runner to win more meets and get a medal at the Olympics.

But why else would boxers take a risk of getting caught, fined, suspended, etc...if they didn't think it would help them? There are gains to be made, whether it be physical or mental, from juicing.

It's still cheating regardless.

 

Steroids/Supplements are not/do not increase reflexes or ensure proper form, thats for throwing a punch or swinging a bat. Hell its not used for endurance, steroids are for increasing strength, but strength isn't the magic key to being a successful boxer so to say it deminished Mosley's career is ridiculous.

Steroids do not make a punch straigter, they don't give you the ability to roll punches, they don't make you a better boxer.

 

I never said they did. But they do give the boxer the ability to practice longer and harder. So example. Jermain Taylor takes roids for stamina, he is able to practice longer throwing the jab and not lowering his right hand when he does. He can do it 2-3+ more hours in a day because the roids allow him to.

They give the boxer the chance to practice longer which in result if used properly can allow the boxer to practice a certain thing longer.


Steroids dont teach skill but they give the boxer the ability to practice longer to perfect the skill.


And to say Mosley didn't gain anything from steroids is a laughable statement.

 

Mosley used EPO, which increases red blood cells. One of the advantages is stamina.

 

Completely missed him saying that.


It's amazing how people seem to think that steroids are for strength and size only.

 

IF he used EPO knowingly then you are right Thread Stealer, it would definantly give him an advantage. I thought people were saying he used "the cream" or THG. I'll stand down on this one.

 

Mostly it was pointing out that he went to the company that invented The Cream and The Clear

 

OK, I was wondering why people were posting The Cream and The Clear a lot. I will add that EPO is not a steroid it is a hormone.

 

How many licensed drivers run over people when they are NOT drunk? I dunno about you dude, but I live in reality. And I am fully willing to accept whatever comes to me or my family due to the scaryness of automobiles. Auto accidents have a chance to kill us more than anything else. I have been in many accidents as well as my father, brothers, omm, girlfriend, friends etc.. They were all DONE BY PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT UNDER THE INFLUENCE. So you want to scare me by drunk drivers? mother****er I am scared by any driver. You got 2 tons of steel riding around at 80mph and you want me to be scared of someone who is under the influence? like I said asswipe - I live in reality. And to compare alcholo to steriods is a very bad comaprison. Because the last time I checked, the only side affect of roids is that your balls get shorter and you rage out. Does that really ****ing apply to driving? You ****ing stupid dude.

I think I made it clear that we live in 2008, and that this is the future of sports whether you, me, or anyone ****ing else likes it. Face it they will all use it, or not make it to the pro leagues. Again, you ****ing aint living in reaility dude. Btw, how old are you? because you come off as some righteuos duchebag like you a ****ing saint or something. You got to be like 16 or 17 with the nonsense you post.

I know plenty who do roids. More than you can imagine. I believe that is more important than some biased book written to make money with some scaremongering. how old is Barry Bonds again and he does roids? yeah, thought so dickweed. Aint as bad as what you think now is it?

Its actually quite sad you give a **** how other people feel when it doesnt fall in line with what you feel. But then again, as a righteous saint dickwad, I am sure reality doesnt fit in your equation seeing as how you live in mom and dads basement your whole life. Get out dude, meet people, learn a little about life. It aint gonna hurt i promise.

well one thing is for sure, if it is legal it can be regulated and made more safe for the athletes. there gonna do it anyways and get away with it. You think the war on drugs stopped the drugs? cmon bro, legalizing and regulation will make it better for our guys in sports.

 

A few things. FIRST off, it hasn't been proven that Shane used illegal performance enhancing drugs for the Oscar fight. So if he didn't use them, he's not lying. And even if he did and he is, that's hardly a 'darkside'.

Why does nobody think his accusers might be lying? Perhaps there was some kind of argument, and they are made at Shane. Its possible that maybe they think Shane will offer them money in exchange for them saying they were mistaken about him using steroids. There could be a lot of things.

Also a note about urine testing... substances are only detectable in urine for a certain amount of time after they were used, depending on the substance. And this amount of time can vary greatly.

To give an example, heroin is consistently only detectable until about 2-3 days after use. So if you use heroin on Monday and take a drug test on Friday you will pass it! If you smoke pot on the other hand and you just smoked it the one time also on Monday, then you would probably pass a drug test on Friday as well. But if you smoke pot often, it may be detectable in your urine for up to 90 days! But most drugs are not detectable in urine by 5 days or so after use.

I can't seem to find any data on steroid testing, but I believe they must be similar to tests for the kind of drugs I mentioned above. And by the nature of how they work, one doesn't need to necessarily take them right before the fight, or even the week before.