Tarver ducking Dawson

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  1. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Dawson was trying to short-change the boxing fans by fighting a shot have-been instead of a live, dangerus contender...of course I'm glad he wasn't allowed to get away with it!
     
  2. Lampley

    Lampley Boxing Junkie banned

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    You're still missing the point. It isn't about risk/reward -- it's about reward. Almost all fighters will sign to fight the opponent who provides the most money, and that's no exception here.

    Like almost all fighters, Dawson wants to the biggest-money challenges he can find. Just like Pacquiao moving up to Hoya, or Floyd wanting a Hatton rematch, or Winky saying he'd move down to 147 for Hoya!

    It has nothing to do with competition. When you say "risk"/reward, that's exactly what you imply. And you are completely wrong.

    Again, I expect Dawson will fight AD rather than get stripped. He'd prefer to fight another name opponent, but he needs the belt to remain a major player.

    You've been informed about the difference between ducking and avoiding, yet you refuse to acknowledge that -- or even argue against it.
     
  3. Lampley

    Lampley Boxing Junkie banned

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    Yeah, the guy was trying to make the most money he could! How dare he!!!
     
  4. Ramshall1

    Ramshall1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yup, if those gimme fights were not on Showtime then I wouldnt be as pissed but he pretty much scammed the fans with his charade. Its about time Showtime put their foot down a bit here.
     
  5. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Excellent post!:good
     
  6. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hey, Lampley isn't THE actual Jim Lampley is he?
     
  7. 1lehudson

    1lehudson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There is no winning with this guy. He has it in his mind that Dawson is ducking his hero and the fact that Dawson agreed to and signed to fight him doesnt change anything for him. Dawson is still ducking him.

    In the REAL world Dawson is looking to make a big splash and he isnt going to do that by beating a guy that very few knows. But in the end he was still going to fight him.

    Dont waste you time, its pointless with with him.
     
  8. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Don't be naive, mate...you speak as if Dawson is 100% guaranteed to beat Diaconu...it IS about risk/reward...the reward in money terms would be almost as good - the only thing that's not so good is the exposure in America; however, the risk is much worse - losing to an unknown prime Romanian would end the hype about the next big American hope; losing to an old have-been name, would only set him back slightly...In any case, how good Diaconu is is completely irrelevant as to whether Dawson is ducking him or not.

    There is a difference between ducking and avoiding, one that you seem unable to grasp. I will repeat myself: Dawson would be avoiding Diaconu if he were just another guy who was calling Dawson out, who presented Dawson a worse risk/reward than what he could get otherwise. Dawson is not trying to avoid Diaconu. He is trying to DUCK Diaconu. He does this by REPEATEDLY REFUSING to comply with the repeated rulings of the WBC which require him to face Diaconu - his mandatory - by a certain date. He does that by REPEATEDLY trying to have the mandatory status of his MANDATORY challenger REVOKED. He doesn't just do his best to avoid Diaconu FOR NOW. He does his best to avoid him FOREVER. Given that Diaconu is his mandatory, doing your utmost to avoid him forever is as clear an attempt at ducking as any could ever be associated with the word. Dawson REPEATEDLY FAILS to comply with the rules imposed by the sanctioning bodies relating to fighting mandatory fighters, for no acceptable reason whatsoever, and he is allowed to get away with it because he is an American prima donna everyone is hoping to cash in on in future, if he proves as great as we all hope he is. He thinks he is too good to have the rules that are good for boxing applied to him; he thinks he is special. He thinks he IS ENTITLED to make as much money as possible whilst making a name for himself by polishing off these have-been American legends/legends known in America, WHILST keeping his belt and GETTING AWAY with not having to comply with the rules regulating the holding of the said belt.

    Well, guess what, buddy; he might be special in his own mind, but other people have a right to make money too; other people have a right to make a name for themselves too; other people have a right to get a shot at his title too. It is not the "Dawson's Boxing Championship"; it is the WBC; they have rules; we're always complaining those rules are bent to give a hyped up star an unfair advantage; why should we not complain when our favourite fighter is involved? Get real, buddy - Diaconu is a more than deserving mandatory. He EARNED that position according to the rules. Dawson HAS to fight him sooner or later, even if he is given a special treatment by the WBC, being American and a very good and all - but Diaconu wants his shot because he thinks he can beat him and because he wants that belt because he wants to cash in on it, like all title holders do. If Dawson doesn't like that, he should drop the belt and fight all the have been-names in the world for money and fame, but not with the WBC strap around his waist.

    Tarver is AVOIDING Dawson. Dawson is DUCKING Diaconu.

    As simple as that, buddy. Clear enough for ya?
     
  9. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    :blood
     
  10. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Diaconu ain't my hero, dude. I write about his case because I know about him more than others do, because I read articles about him in the Romanian press. What is happening to him is scandalous and I am pointing it out. Just because you're American and just because you are used to American fighters getting special treatment, don't expect the whole world to agree with you. There are rules regulating the sport. Failure to comply with them makes the sport worse off. It shortchanges the fans. Dawson is bad for boxing because he is trying to get an easy ride. Look at facts, dude; gather the strength to accept reality as it is, not as you would like it to be, or be prepared not to be taken seriously...
     
  11. RafaelGonzal

    RafaelGonzal Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Dawson, there doesnt seem to be a whole lot of fighters at lightheavy calling him out. I wonder why? He doesnt seem to be in the mix for anything and he seems to be the most dangerous fighter around at 175. No one wants a piece of Dawson too tough.
     
  12. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    :yikes :yikes :yikes

    :patsch

    :-( :verysad :-( :verysad :-(
     
  13. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    I doubt the winner of Hopkins vs. Calzaghe will be calling his name.
     
  14. KilltheKing

    KilltheKing Overthrower Full Member

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    Dawson surely is not ducking Diaconu .. he just doesn't want to waste his time, if he can avoid it, fighting another friggin' nobody, no talent bum when he can fight somebody known & established with a pulse.

    Diaconu hasn't f*cking fought ANYBODY yet. Dawson, rightfully or not, has be thinking "hmm ... is there even one decent fighter in the history of the sport from Romania? Nah, he's likely another untalented or overrated Euro dude that doesn't deserve to be doing anything but buying a GD ticket if he wants to see ME in action. I wish these SCRUBS would disappear so I don't have to waste any of my valuable time exposing these lame-ass fighters ...."

    Can't blame Dawson for being sceptical that Diaconu is worth a look ... but dollars should talk .... if Diaconu were worth half a **** as a fighter then it will be pretty hard to hide that light from the world and surely he'll be grabbed for a bunch of huge fights by a variety of parties and everyone will be happy (including Dawson) .... the reality is more likely you're one of the few who really believe in the guy and he'll eventually be found to be another third-rate bum while Dawson goes on to be a champion and fight some memorable bouts. :lol:

    replace with:

    .... the reality is more likely his fanboy thread starters are some of the few who really believe in the guy and he'll eventually be found to be another third-rate bum while Dawson goes on to be a champion and fight some memorable bouts. :lol:
     
  15. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    I am not sure whether your trolling style is entertaining enough for me to keep you off my ignore list yet...please post some more...:good