Taylor-Chavez Judge

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  1. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I could understand the fight being scored 7-4 at worst for Taylor going into the final, with that last round leaving Taylor a one point edge in the scoring had it been allowed to continue. Either way, Taylor was leading on the cards, but not by as much as people make out. Nor did the cards tell the story of the fight. One of the most subtle beatings of all time.
     
  2. keith

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    Excellent post.

    I have always contended that at 140 a prime Chavez ko's Whitaker, or beats him into running all night. But at 147, Chavez never really belonged, and Whitaker took advantage of that.

    Keith
     
  3. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Thats what I've always said as well......

    Whitaker was always going to be quicker and faster than Chavez at any weight......so what Chavez needed was a strenghth and punching power advantage to offset Whitaker's quickness and speed......

    I've always just shook my head in disgust when the Whitaker fans have voiced their opinions that Whitaker would have beaten Chavez much clearer at 135 lbs because Whitaker was a better lightweight than a Welterweight.

    With the fight at Welter and Whitaker being heavier, the strenghth factor that would have been Chavez' at any weight of 140 lbs and below, evened out and I believe even tilted toward Pernell.....
    Whitaker did alot of running vs Chavez, but when they did body up at close quarters, Chavez was'nt physically moving Whitaker........
    .....so yes, I do believe Whitaker was physically stronger than Chavez at 147 lbs, to go along with his advantage in quickness and speed.
    A strenghth advantage that would not have been Whitaker's at 140 lbs and below.


    Listen, what I'm saying is'nt even my opinion......Lou Duva even admitted to such in a boxing magazine before Chavez even fought Whitaker........so its a fact that that was the Duva plan all along....they wanted no part of JC Chavez at 140 lbs.
     
  4. Thread Stealer

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    Norris-Taylor was at a catchweight of 149, but I agree that it was a bad management decision to put Taylor in with a guy like Norris. Taylor had enough problems at WW with his style and the talent level around at the time. Santana was a real tough style matchup regardless of the beatings Taylor had taken, but Taylor had to face him because he was a mandatory. Norris however, wasn't necessary.
     
  5. thanosone

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    I think that he saw Chavez punishing Taylor with shots that break ****ing bones. Which they did.
     
  6. Thread Stealer

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    Sugar Ray Leonard said that Chavez was being "discomboomerated".
     
  7. Super_Fly_Sam

    Super_Fly_Sam Aus Boxer Full Member

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    I agree...

    there is no denying it Richard was lookin straight at Meldrick and can be clearly seen askin him twice if he was ok to which he recieved not even a nod of the head..

    Also even if u wanna make the there ws only 2 secs left claim.... its not the ref's job to watch the clock!!!..

    headMeldrick and Lou only have themselves to blame for it if u ask me...


    that being said though i would have liked to see Meldrick get the sattifaction of being the first man to beat Chavez as i had him winning the a close but deserving decision if he was granted the chance to go on. And it would be good for Meldrick to at least have that win as some sort of constilation prize due to his current mental and physical state.
     
  8. ricardinho

    ricardinho Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In that fight if you turn the sound up loud enough you realize how hard he was being hit. Chavez still remained the agressor and Taylor's shots were not as effective as Chavez' punches. Its a shame that the beating he received ruined him as an immediate rematch would have been an awesome fight.
     
  9. thanosone

    thanosone Love Your Brother Man Full Member

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    And deny CHAVEZ the KO? Not fair at all. Boxing has a time limit and rules for a reason. It's not charity. The guy got murdered before the 36 min mark.
     
  10. ricardinho

    ricardinho Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Carolla Says It Best-- The ref is not a timekeeper

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnJUucXHHrI&feature=related[/ame]
     
  11. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    he did but fights are scored on rounds, not overall damage. you cannot justify a score where chavez won more rounds. i was excessively harsh with 2 rounds. a case can be made for 3 or 4. no more than that though under virtually any scoring criteria
     
  12. horst

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    Taylor had a wide, unassailable lead on my card. If he had lost that last round 10-8, he'd still have been a clear winner. He pretty much dominated Chavez for the majority of the fight.
     
  13. thanosone

    thanosone Love Your Brother Man Full Member

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    Depends. Let's say Taylor landed 10 quick punches that really didn't do damage, but Chavez lands 5 blows that hurt Taylor. Who do you give that round to? I think Taylor was ahead 7-4 before the 12th. Chavez needed the KO and he got it.
     
  14. Jorodz

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    for sure, it would be tough. but there are rounds where taylor lands 10 blows, then chavez nothing. if you are outlanded 4-1 consistently you aren't winning the round unless the guy is noticably hurt. anyone who said that the blows were visibly hurting, stunning and affecting taylor is biased at best: when you saw him in the corner sure but taylor was not stubbling around the ring at any point. he was rarely, if ever, stunned until the 11th and though there was a visual effect on his face, as you're scoring the rounds none of chavez's blows appeared to hurt him that badly or cause THAT much damage. that's why it's referred to as a subtle beating: only in retrospect do people score it close.