Taylor easily beats Lopez, Davis, Haney, Garcia

It's a tough one for Taylor, I've been following him since he won the commonwealth gold, before he turned pro, and the detractors have been much the same all along, and have got steadily louder and more vocal.

Davies beats Taylor, Taylor is nothing
Postol will dominate Taylor, Taylor is too green
Prograis will obliterate Taylor, Prograis is the top dog at 140
Ramirez is too much for Taylor and will stop him late as Taylor crumbles..

I've heard it all along the way, and every challenge, Taylor has demontsrated more and more of his abilities.

It seems now that Ramirez was nothing. Prograis was nothing. 140 is a weak ass division. Lopez ****s Taylor up.

Tank ffs? GTFO

Tbf, it seems now that Taylor is Undisputed most folks are giving him the props and respect deserved, but still seem to be a vocal minority that are moving to the new 'Taylor will get roasted by X' name.

 

It’s all true though, I picked Taylor in every single one of those fights.

it doesn’t change the fact that all those guys have beaten nobody. Who has Ramirez, Prograis beat to give you a reference point for what class they’re in?

The only one is Postol, good enough to beat a past-it Mathysee and got destroyed by Crawford.

So the only reference point we have of Taylor’s class is that he’s good enough to beat someone who was good enough to beat a past-it Mathysee and got beat worse in his prime by Crawford. I mean that’s good, it’s not great either.

Crawfords reference point for his class? He destroyed Jeff Horn whom Pac couldn’t stop so that’s a lot more clear cut...

He also destroyed Khan was more convincingly than anyone else ever did including Canelo. He also beat a more or less prime Gamboa, a Prime Gamboa who I would have picked to beat Prograis or Ramirez (Taylor’s best win).

People always make these mistakes of rating fighters too soon before they’ve created reference points. You don’t know their level until they’ve been exposed to that class or have a reference point to it.

 

Easy work.

 

IMO using Horn as a reference point for Crawford is an almighty stretch. If it's wasn't for the disgusting refereeing Pac would have stopped Horn, and had the fight been anywhere else he would have, Horn got away with Blue Murder in that fight.

Everyone says Crawford passes the eye test, and that's totally grand he does! But his resume is still not THAT much above Taylor's IMO. Taylor and Prograis and (even possibly Ramirez!) would all smoke Khan, shot Brook and Horn @147 IMO.

Prograis passes the eye test to me, I think he's the read deal, and came up ever so slightly short against another real deal, who passes the eye-test( over willingness to trade aside) in Taylor. Prograis would probably have got the decision in the US, even though I had Taylor 115-113.

Does Taylor and Prograis necessarily beat Porter/Garcia/Thurman let along Bud/Crawford? I honestly don't know having not seen them up at 147 yet, maybe their power don't move up well (personally I think Prograis and Raimrez might do better at 147 than Taylor,as they seem more drained than Taylor to me at 140)

But they would be hella competetive. All IMO.

And saying that Bud beat Khan worse than Canelo?

Khan quit against Bud, he got malkied by Canelo, clearest KO in recent years. Also Khan has NEVER been elite aside from his speed. He does not have the IQ or discipline to be truly elite IMO.

 

lol, I remember when people called this fight a 50/50

Taylor all-but ended Davies' career that night - you could virtually see Hearn edging away backwards from his charge after that one: 'Yeah Ohara, don't call me, I'll call you.... I'll be in touch...'

 

There is no indication to me whatsoever that Prograis or Ramirez beats Khan. Khan was dominant at 140 aside from his KO loss to Danny in which Danny was too scared to rematch.

he’s faster than both, taller, more skilled.

Crawford, Loma, Spence REALLY passed the eye test, in the way that you knew they were special before they had a chance to prove it.

Taylor and Prograis just never looked that way. As an example, Tank passes the eye test way more. Why do you think there is hype around Tank but not Taylor? That’s not clever promotion, people see the speed, power, the moves.

Taylor to me looks like a Jessie Vargas, good but basic. Maybe better than Jessie but I can’t tell how much better.

If he fights a Broner, Mikey, any of the top WWs, we’ll know. Until then, jury is out.

That said, he’s consistent so base on that alone, he’s at least a solid B with potential to demonstrate he’s an A- level fighter, though I doubt he gets higher than that.

 

We'll just have to agree to disagree. You are massively overrating Khan in terms of completeness, and IMO all the evidence is there to show that he wouldn't last 12 rounds with Prograis or Taylor, especially when he fought Crawford. Maybe when he fought Maidana he would be able to get on his bike and last all 12, but not now, no danger. He'd quit on his stool if not starched beforehand!

 

Preach it! Danny might have his flaws, but being scared to face Khan in a rematch ain't one of 'em!

 

What evidence is that? Was it When he dominated Paulie, Judah, collazo, kotelnik, salita, alexander? Btw that list of names alone is better than Prograis entire resume.

or was it when he beat Peterson (he did) and Maidana?

you think Prograis beats Maidana?

not overrating him at all. Khan is just massively underrated. He has a very good resume with recent losses only to Crawford and Canelo.

 

You are cherry-picking parts of the resume here - the Khan that fought Crawford was not the same Khan that fought Maidana, Khan was not as shot as Brook was, but still way past prime. But even prime Khan was overrated - Maidana is his way best win, and he was running for dear life the last 3 rounds.

And yes, I'd take Prograis and Taylor to beat Maidana @140.

 

So you’d take Prograis, a guy who has beaten literally no one, over a guy who arguably beat Mayweather.

ok.

That’s all I need to know about your logic process.

And Danny’s biggest fight opportunity was Khan, he turned down the rematch because he knew that prior to landing his no-look left hook, he was getting lit up.

 

I’d take Prograis to beat a guy that Khan beat yes. And I'm not one of the ones that thought Maidana beat Floyd. And that was also at 147, not 140. I think Maidana was struggling at 140 tbh. Nevertheless that was a great win for Khan, that not many people expected him to last the 12 (barely as he did)

Prograis fought Taylor all the way, and that told me plenty about the Rougarou.

Maybe my logic has it's flaws, but yours does as well

 

No, my logic just at least goes with the evidence.

the evidence being that Khan has a far better resume at 140 yet alone 147 combined than Prograis. And Maidana is way more accomplished and proved his class against established opponents as oppose to Prograis who’s done nothing.

The only point of reference to Prograis class is Redkach, his best win. He did stop Redkach where Danny couldn’t so I give him that.

 

The evidence was clearly that Khan was WAY past his best when he faced Crawford. As I said before, you are cherry-picking the names to bolster Crawford's ****-poor 147 resume. Hardly anyone tries to suggest that Calzaghe's win over RJJ means more than a hill of beans, and Khan and Brook for Crawford are maybe a slightly bigger hill of beans.

And if Khan was so good to begin with, why is no one even mentioning him when folks are comparing Taylor to Calzaghe/Froch and Lewis in terms of resume and achievement? That's not just because of Undisputed IMO, it's because Taylor is a more well rounded and better fighter than Khan ever was.