Taylor vs Pavlik - who wins and why?

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  1. nrgetic

    nrgetic Active Member Full Member

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    I think Taylor was matched against smaller opponents recently eg Ouma to achieve an impressive KO for his maketability after the controversy of the Hopkins fights but it didn't happen and only compounded his dilemma. I think Taylor can take a punch, the key question is can he take Pavlik's punch! The Pavlik fight can turn everything around for Taylor or write him off in the (small) minds of many
     
  2. JETSKI

    JETSKI Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And this is why Pavlik has to make sure it doesn't go to the scorecards...which I don't think it will.

    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/boxing/Pavlik-Taylor.php
     
  3. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    I actually like Taylor and was for him both time he beat Hopkins, and have said be patient with him, and he'll eventually come into his own as a champion, and score ko's and not disappoint anyone, but I have a sense of foreboding about this fight with Pavlik. I have read of Pavlik's earlier fights and his most recent against Miranda, and it seems he's the real thing. I'm very impressed so far. I won't make a prediction, but somehow I think Pavlik might be a real surprise here.
     
  4. standing 8

    standing 8 Active Member Full Member

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    I agree, it may not matter if Taylor wins or loses in this match up as long as he preforms well in the ring. I think that Taylor made a big mistake in not fighting Miranda while he was still hot. However, Taylor has made up for that by taking on Pavlik, but it's going to be a harder fight for him to win.
     
  5. Stickandmove

    Stickandmove Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yeah, Taylor has lost his lustre after boring wins against Ouma and Spinks. There is no love for Jermain Taylor judging from the comments I've read on ESB.

    HBO may be looking for the new 'great white hope' of the middleweight division - Kelly Pavlik. And Jermain Taylor may fall by the wayside - if he loses this fight.

    But I'm predicting Taylor to comfortably school Pavlik.
     
  6. Executioner

    Executioner Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :lol: :rofl ditto :yep
     
  7. Stickandmove

    Stickandmove Well-Known Member Full Member

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  8. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    nrgetic has great insight but Knock out put it short and best. I'll add only Kelly beats Jermain if he gets his eyes swollen shut or cut but remember that Wright achieved that with a clash of heads so we gat to be careful with what we wish for, ultimately he may reap what he'll sow... I still think Kelly is disadvantaged cause he has to seize the initiative and Jermain has the better jab to stop him coming at him, Jermain UD... Kelly is young, he'll be back!
     
  9. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    Pavlik by TKO...Round 7
     
  10. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Do I have to post my assessment and prediction yet again?

    Pavlik KO from rounds 3-7, but it may be an even earlier blowout depending on when the size and pressure sets in over the fragile Jermain Taylor.

    It's absurd to think that Taylor should be the favourite in this bout, he has a very minor chance however, and that's only because Pavlik himself is an all around B level fighter compared to the very best in the sport.

    However, I am confident that he cannot handle pressure fighting to any degree and that he has a very suspect chin, he'll fall apart and get KTFO and ends one more card in the overrated deck, the deck that most boxing fans just accept outright as the very best and not from personal analysation, but from common conformist opinion.

    :smoke
     
  11. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    Pavlik will win by stoppage imo.

    Mainly because Taylor leaves that left hand so low. That won't hurt him so much against a southpaw but an orthodox guy who has "bread and butter" written all over his right hand is a different story.

    I expect Pavlik to have an answer for Taylor's jab very early on in the fight. Taylor will get into the fight, and will slowly slip back into his instincts which tell him to hold the left low and trade punches. Taylor is pretty immobile when it comes to trading punches, so expect to see that monster Pavlik right hand landing flush at certain points. And it may come as early as the first round.

    Taylor has alot of heart. I think that is what got him where he is really. But he's gonna go out on his shield in this one, with Manny not even getting much time to scream at him.

    And anyone who makes nosense about their trial meeting as kids, remember that Pavlik was 17, Taylor was 22. Just like with Abdulaev vs Cotto, the boy who once lost to the man will return as a man, and the tide will shift this time.
     
  12. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    I think Taylor's handspeed gets him the UD.
     
  13. KhanB

    KhanB Active Member Full Member

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    I fear Manny Steward will make a difference. He always trains best when his back is against the wall. Pavlik and his trainer didnt impress me too much. I know Pavlik has had the same trainer for years but not everybody can connect like Wright and trainer Birmingham. Steward is by far the better trainer with the better athlete so I hope Pavlik can beat Taylor with pure aggression and avenge Hopkins!
     
  14. Boinko

    Boinko Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well, I was going to steer clear of mentioning the "white hope" angle, but since you did I think that could be a factor.

    But, ultimately the main reason HBO or any other network would have no problem getting behind Pavlik is his style. He's exciting.
    Something Taylor hasn't been in his last two fights.

    However, I still think we'll find out Saturday night that Pavlik is getting a bit too much credit based on his win over Miranda, and too many people are writing off Taylor based on his most recent performances.

    I think Jermain's big fight experience will be the difference and he'll win a close, but totally deserved UD.
     
  15. swedeone

    swedeone Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Pavlik will win convincingly by TKO, round 9. There will be a TON of shocked Taylor fans come Sunday morning. Trust me... it's coming folks. :good