http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/article/taz-trashes-joe-rogan-talks-lesnars-ufc-100-fight-more-80615 The following is the latest Facebook blog from former WWE star and soon-to-be TNA Wrestling star Taz: 1st off, Congrats to Brock on a strong victory! I know that Brock is a driven athlete with an awesome work ethic...therefore I am not surprised at his success in UFC! I don't agree with some of the "true hardcore UFC fans" maybe not respecting Brock or the way he may react to a victory.....or his promo after (which I personally loved!). In my opinion, I feel that the MMA world is not in Brock's corner in regards to his MMA career. Lesner MAY be looked at as a "fluke" from the Pro Wrestling genre therefore Brock may not be getting the respect he well deserves! I also feel that the MMA gurus in the world never thought Brock would be as successful as he is...just my opinion. Well folks...if you haven't noticed the dude is the real deal! And us from the Pro Wrestling industry that know Brock Lesner... realize how legit & credible the man is! It pisses me off when athletes/performers from the industry I have been lucky enough to be in for over 20 years dont get the respect our guys and gals should be receiving! And there or MORE athletes coming from the Pro Wrestling business to dominate in MMA (on deck is Bobby Lashley!) so get use to it!!! In closing...late last night I heard the true "MMA GENIUS" Joe Rogan say that Brock didn't make many friends last night after his dominate victory. So I would like to say to Mr Rogan- HEY JOEY....I DON'T THINK LESNER IS LOOKING TO MAKE NICEY NICE WITH ANYONE....ITS THE FRIGGIN FIGHT BUSINESS CHAMP....NO REASON TO KISS ASS OR BE PC!!!! Taz FTW
Taz needs to realize 3 things. 1)People were booing him because he was acting like an idiot, and since this is REAL SPORTS, and not FAKE SPORTS, people are expected to behave like profesionals, NOT MADE UP BAD GUYS. People with an interest in real sports don't want a spandex soap opera. 2) Not one person has said anything but Brock's athletic and MMA credentials are legit and getting better; they just say the truth, that it comes from his amateur wrestling and MMA work, not his Spandex Soap Opera. NOBODY IS COMING FROM PRO WRESTLING TO MMA, there are high level amateur wrestlers who whored themselves by play fighting finally wanting to actually fight, not act. No greased up pro wrestler without a real background is going to do any real fighting. 3) Joe would take Taz's "legit judo background" and twister his spine into 6 pieces in under 5 minutes
What a superbly written crock of shite. Rogan vs Taz for Wrestle Mania!! I find it truly mystifying how again and again guys **** on professional wrestlers as though all they do is act poorly and roll around in spandex. Seriously get a ****ing clue already. :roll:
Your joking right? You think some wrestler who is just a pro wrestler, no real fighting background, is going to accomplish a quadrillionth of Lesnar? Guys like Lashley, Angle in his day, the Steiners, hell even Taz has a little Judo (although Rogan would tear him in half) and Japanese shoot wrestlers are one thing. If one wants to take it seriously for a few years and actually make a go of it (I believe the undertaker is a purple belt), a few are good athletes and could make headway compared to the average joe, but if you think some random wrestler is gonna walk straight into MMA, its gonna look like Johnnie Morton vs the comedian. The HHH, John Cena's, Batista's of the world are bad bodybuilders working as bad actors. Act poorly? Check Roll around in spandex? Double check Other accomplishments?
Ok its common knowledge here im a huge pro wrestling fan from back in the day. ( And just before you start Morton was a ****ing idiot). Alot of the guys in the WWE come from professional backgrounds and disciplines. There shat on too many times with these weird analogies about its not real, greased up, on steroids, spandex etc etc. Fact is theres is truly a gruelling career where by they must be part time bodybuilders (thanks in part to Vince) stuntmen, actors, and good at wrestling. WWE is all about entertainment but lets not forget there credentials. Guys like Bret brothers Benjamin Jericho Benoit Angle were all traditional wrestlers with sound wrestling credentials and GREAT technical ability. Could they make the cross over in MMA in there heyday? Most certainly. Could they be as succesful as Brock? Plausible. Remember guys like Brock and Shamrock only left the big money of the WWE because they fell out with the organisation otherwise they'd still be there now and this argument would be all moot with you repeating the same lines as to there "feeble" credentials. As for HHH Cena and Batista puhlease. 15 years ago those guys would all have been jobbers. The stable is soo woefully thin now Vince hardly has much options hence why he pushes a guy like Orton who's mike skills are as bad as his one hour pauses. There all **** and cant wrestle worth a lick.
:rofl MMA fans watching live are the most unknowledgable fans in the world. They boo fighters for being on the ground..they boo 5 seconds of lull in a standup. The least they could do is cheer for Brock because he brings ****in entertainment to this sport which they are so dumb enough to not understand. Next time they boo when it goes to the ground think about that....They ****in booo..booo all the time..do you watch ufc PPVs? and FYI most prowrestler have amatuer wrestling backgrounds..I would dare say that if you check their resumes that theyve wrestled one way or another. If ****in Leben and the Groves of the world whose got as much natural talent as my neighbor Joe can win some MMA fights..you telling me that guys like Orton or BAtista couldnt?
Right; fighters who happen to do pro wrestling to get paid could do well. Pro wrestlers who are just pro wrestlers would do worse than golfers.
First you are just wrong: the last ufc I heard cheers for takedowns, sprawls, submission attempts and escapes and even cheering a blocked attempt to pass guard. You simply are living in the past. They boo'd him because he flipped them off, I dont think either side of that argument is smart but it had nothing to do with his fighting, it had to do with his persona. Second can you not read what I said, here it is verbatim: So if they became like Leben who is an absolute gym rat and trains harder than you have ever done anything in your life, they might win some fights. Right now they get beat up by JV highschool wrestler.
This UFC was indeed an exception, then again the main card was mostly GSP taking Alves down..and everyones down with Georges. It was a good UFC. MY bad on the second one didnt see that, just making a point on Prowrestlers that if they trained, would definitely have an advantage over an ordinary Joe like a Swick or a Herman. Actually those who have done it have been very successful, Saku and Brock..Lashley can very well become a star
Ask Sean O'Haire how easy it is to move from pro wrasslin' to MMA without serious background in an actual fighting sport (ie amateur wrestling). All 6'6" chisled inch of him got clobbered in Pride by freakin' Butterbean.
Please dont qoute that idiot as any defining prescence in PRIDE or in the WWE. O'haire is a MONUMENTAL ***** in real life. Watching him get destroyed by Butterbean in a few seconds was rather comical. As was also his alledged 20 fight record in Muay Thai or kickboxing. Mention the succesful pro wrestlers not idiots like Sean.
My point is that most successful pro wrestlers aren't successful because of their pro wrestling background, but rather, because they have extensive amateur wrestling backgrounds. That's not to say these guys aren't athletic. They have to be incredibly strong and have great cardio to do what they do. But nothing they learn during their choreographed battles makes it so they would be successful in MMA. Rather, it's that amateur wrestling background that makes the difference. As we all know, it's one of the best possible MMA bases. Wrestlers without that background that make the jump, like O'Haire, get smashed.
An elite wrestler's worse nightmare is an elite striker and an elite striker's worst nightmare is an elite wrestler. It's just a matchup of styles. Just like boxing... You have to pick apart the weaknesses in their defense, and find openings and holes... Then you have physiological intangibles like athletic ability and reflexes, which can sometimes overpower an opponent who is skilled by lacks athleticism... I'd say that a great wrestler that can handle Brock could probably beat him considering Brock has rudimentary striking ability, but it would be a very difficult match, and when you factor in Brock's experience with ground fighting, it makes it that much more difficult for a pure wrestler to beat Brock. I think Brock's worst nighmare is a guy with fast and powerful hands, who has the ability to get low and move quickly. Brock can be turned and beaten with angles, but I can't think of many people in MMA, (because honestly I'm not a big fan as in I don't follow the sport cuz I don't have money to pay for it), that would even have a chance at this point, except for maybe Arvloski and that Brazilian with the fast hands who throws a lot of straight punches. But Arvloski has some significant weaknesses and is definitely not polised defensively, and the Brazilian may be finished. But it all comes down to styles...
Did brock ever commit to Freestyle though? I don't see him placing in any sort of Freestyle tournament, but that just might mean he did poorly in them. I have to think the Balkan/Caucus/Russian wrestling pipeline going into MMA would be a force, look at the US and even Japanese wrestlers. One problem would be the Greco-Roman guys; in the US GR guys grow up doing Folkstyle because everybody does folkstyle, most guys do it all the way through college even, this gives them the base in wrestling groundwork, and full body takedowns before learning the more technical upper body Greco stuff that works so well in MMA. Abroad they may train in Freestyle some of the time, but GR guys are GR guys, so they are missing a chunk of the advantage. They will still have the super technical and physical advantage in the clinch that Greco brings, but will be missing a part of the package. I imagine thats why the majority of the successful Japanese wrestlers are Freestylers.