Team Pacquiao refuse drug testing. Fight in Jepordy

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  1. Siren1927

    Siren1927 Active Member Full Member

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    Of course they lie, how many of those samples are from the same athlete?
     
  2. icemax

    icemax Indian Red Full Member

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    This is truly pathetic, not you, just the whole situation. I just get the impression that the majority of fight fans don't actually give a rats arse whether fighters are drugged or not.
     
  3. izmat

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    I don't see how this is proof that Pac is on on roids.
    The fight is going to happen next year and this is just a way to hype the fight up
     
  4. icemax

    icemax Indian Red Full Member

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    I said 100,000 samples, how is that a lie?
     
  5. dan-b

    dan-b Boxing Junkie banned

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    You just ignore the points you don't want to answer and try and act like you have the moral high ground. Case in point below.

     
  6. noonan

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    This isnt any other fight is it!! possibly the biggest match up of our generation,

    Im pretty sure these doping measures dont go on down my local athletics club, same as i wouldnt expect them at a local boxing do, but there needs to ba a possibility of it happening,

    Most top Atheletes have this style of testing, , Lance Armstrong was tested 24 times in a year,

    I feel better testing should be in place, but as in all sports more rigorous measures ar the higher level of that sport
     
  7. icemax

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    I'm not taking any moral high ground...how can there be one? You either want a drugs free sport or you don't...I do, therefore I want stringent testing.

    Do you want a drugs free sport?
     
  8. dan-b

    dan-b Boxing Junkie banned

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    You're doing it again there. Trying to render my points invalid by suggesting I condone cheating.
     
  9. Siren1927

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    Instead of just repeating yourself are you going to ignore the rest of my post?

    How many of those samples are from 1 Athlete 100,000 samples does not represent the number of athletes tested now does it?.
     
  10. Siren1927

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    In 10 years how many fighters have been caught cheating through the use of drugs, then compare it to Athletics.
     
  11. robpalmer135

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    Dan-b actually read back what your saying. you sound like some fool from the general just making up facts you no nothing about and slagging of peoples ideas that are quite good.

    In my opinion something fishy is going on. The guy has gone from 122lbs, hes been knocked out in lower weight classes and wasnt able to KO half of his opponents in the lower weight classes, and from the David Diaz fight you see a completley different fighter a massive change in Pacquiao, since the David Diaz fight he has knocked out all 4 opponents. Not just knocked them out but destroyed all the opponents, and these are not bums they were world class fighters. If he had been destroying everyone at the lower weights like Barrera and Marquez then i would understand but he wasnt and now all of a sudden he moves up in weight and just smashes through people.

    and its not just the boxing hes physicaly stronger than guys like Hatton and Cotto who are monsters at there weight. hes gone from 130 to 147 in 18 months and looks just as lean as before, he has put on only muscle. and they say that he is eating 7000cals a day, theres no way you could maintain your weight unless you were training for an extremley long time which is made possible by taking steroids. If your doing intense training for 6-7 hours a day which you would need to do to maintain a 7000cal diet you would need to take stuff.

    Also the drug testing in boxing is complete crap. If it was good then why wasnt Chavez Jnr caught before the fight. The current Nevada test they take blood 2 weeks before the fight but its to check for disease not for drugs. Its just nuts that he was allowed in the ring people can die in a boxing ring and if someone goes in there jacked up its even worse. Theres plenty of ways to beat the extremly strict blood testing i other sports so theres even more ways to beat the drug tests in Boxing.

    When Juan Manuel Marquez went up in weight he looked fat, so did De La Hoya and 160lbs. and sure everyones different but for a 200lbs 6ft4 body builder to gain 15lbs of pure muscle is almost impossible, so how can a guy who is 5ft6 and weights 130lbs do it??? The history of boxing has thousands of fighters moving up in weight and the same thing happens every single time, there body fat goes up, they slow down and the loose power. None of these have happened to Pacquiao infact the opposite has happeend.

    Suddenly Pacquiao team have a problem with blood being taken within 10 weeks of the fight, but speak to a fighter in a world title fight in the states and they will tell you they have given blood 2 weeks before most fights. Why is it a problem all of a sudden. If pacquiao has a problem with needles why does he have tatoos, and personally i dont like having blood taken but i just shut my eyes and bare with it for 30 seconds that it takes and then you feel no different. and i work in IT, Pacquiao is a guy who takes part in the hardest sport in the world, grew up in poverty, gets punches in the face all day long but he is scared of a blood test. If the problem is that it weakens the fighter then thats a crap arguement becuase there doing it to both fighters not just Manny, and its a tiny tiny amount of blood thats being taken it really makes no difference.

    I beleive that what I have said above are all valid points. You can all come and shut them down but its an opinion and theres only one way to proove me wrong and at the moment Team Pacquiao are not prepared to do so. If you think Mayweather is doing this to get out of the fight, why not just call his bluff.
     
  12. Siren1927

    Siren1927 Active Member Full Member

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    I understand your point mate, but surely you must apply a rule to the sport as a whole?
     
  13. icemax

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    I asked you a ****ing question, get a ****ing grip.
     
  14. icemax

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    The report didn't say. I don't feel that your post required comment from me as it is your opinion, and I don't really want to get into the mechanics of organising a drug testing regime. I was merely responding to you calling the statement i made " a lie" which it clearly wasn't
     
  15. Siren1927

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    Excellent post on the whole Rob, didnt Pac weigh 152 or 164 in the ring against JMM the second time. I watched that fight again the idea day and Pac looks massive in that fight compared to when he first fought JMM.

    Also Roach and Arum both stated they needed to get him out of 130, he was killing himself to make weight.

    I also have to ask, is getting knocked out when your 16 and 17 by body shots of any relevance to him fighting today?

    Im not a nuthugger but people do tend to convienently forget certain points when it comes to Pac or Floyd