Team Pacquiao taking a gamble in training?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by BeaverDan, May 2, 2009.


  1. BeaverDan

    BeaverDan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    After watching countless hours of footage in the build up to this fight, 24/7, Sky's studio countdown, various interviews etc. I notice that Roach and Co seem to be expecting Hatton to "revert back to his old ways".

    Watching 24/7, they seem to be training for the inevitable Hatton rough housing, bullying tactics.

    Isn't it too much of a gamble to concentrate most of your training on an assumption that your opponent even denies? What if Hatton pressures forward but uses angles instead of wrapping his arms around Pac? Something old Floyd and Ricky both agree on, and have obviously trained for.

    Malignaggi and a lot of people in these forums were taken by surprise the same way. A lot of people thought Malignaggi would simply tame Hatton as he charged forward, but it was in fact Malignaggi that was out boxed. I know Malignaggi is not Pacman, but I'm making the point that camps assume the wrong things and trrain for the wrong fight.

    Should Roach really be concentrating so much on Hatton and his past wrestling style fights?
     
  2. FINITO

    FINITO Boxing Junkie banned

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    Hatton using ANGLES? lol

    That sure doesn't sound like him.
     
  3. BeaverDan

    BeaverDan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Even if he doesn't, he could still step backwards (no he can't, haha, forget that one) or just not engage with the hug?

    Hatton and Mayweather seem sure he won't wrestle.
     
  4. freddy-wak

    freddy-wak M O D E R A T O R Full Member

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    man it dont matter, you really think fighters of this caliber are gonna actually change their style......

    gameplans are rare in boxing, i mean they aint rare but it's really rare when a fighter follows one
     
  5. Redondo5

    Redondo5 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hatton can and does use angles
     
  6. o_money

    o_money Boxing Junkie banned

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    I don't know if you get what hatton and Floyd mean by the new Ricky hatton. Basically what they are talking about is getting Ricky's head movement and blocking ability up to a point where he can do what Ricky always does just not get caught so many times on the way in. Ricky;'s gonna wrestle, he's going to low blow and he's going to bang in clinches same as he always does. Manny's getting mauld tonight count on that.

    This new Ricky Hatton **** is basically another way of saying an improved Ricky hatton. So yeah Roach and Manny are training for the right guy.
     
  7. pudding

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    Malanaggi is just a loud mouthed loser who allowed himself to be out boxed. Better men than Malanaggi tried and failed to out box Pacquiao. Hatton won't be able to change his style for one fight with an expectation of winning.
     
  8. BeaverDan

    BeaverDan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    How do you know what they are talking about? You may have just taken a different perspective on it? The way I understand it, yes, Hatton will be using more head movement and improving blocking ability, but Floyd and Hatton have also said he will be using angles, and when you're using angles, you're not wrestling.

    I agree that Hatton will do some mauling and rough housing, I'm just saying that Roach seems to think Hatton is going to be relentlessly using only these methods. He's assuming.
     
  9. onourway

    onourway Haye KTFO1 Wlad Full Member

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    Hatton's going to have the same tactics as ever I think.

    They're just trying to get him to catch/avoid punches before he clinches rather than shipping punches and clinching.
     
  10. Fightfan77

    Fightfan77 Upset-Minded Full Member

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    Floyd Sr. might have tidied up Hatton's mauling tendencies a bit, but Ricky's bread and butter is still the high-volume pressure attack. That will never change.

    Hatton won't suddenly become James Toney, all cute with angles.

    Floyd Sr. now tells him to move his head more and work off the jab, but it's still the old hard-charging Hatton.
    But, let's say, even if Ricky did turn into Willy pep overnight -- Manny can always bank on the experience he's had fighting skilled technicians like Barerra and Marquez.

    Freddie and Manny have always devised and executed the right game plan, and I don't see them head-scratching over the puzzle that is the elusive Ricky Hatton. heheh
     
  11. pit

    pit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think the pac Camp is concern that Floyd Sr did not allow HBO to film any of Hatton sparring, Roach claiming that Floyd did not want to show Hatton weakness. Anyone following the Mayweather training methods, not allowing filming of sparring sessions is normal, they have never allowed film session of there fighter if they can help it.

    I think this has Roach worried because at this point he does not know what to expect from Hatton, and if I were him I would be worried also .
     
  12. BeaverDan

    BeaverDan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    So you don't agree that Hatton fought differently in his last fight? You think Roach is right to look into the past at Hattons fights? But if he looked even further back, pre-Tzyu, he wouldn't bank so much on Hatton "hard-charging". He's being selective in which fights he basis Hattons ability off. He ignores his last fight and his older fights.

    But, as you say, Pac has got experience. But I would have thought you get the training right, as right as you can, before calling on experience to see you through. Otherwise there's not much point in sparring similar guys to your opponent.
     
  13. Fightfan77

    Fightfan77 Upset-Minded Full Member

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    Against Malignaggi Hatton fought a bit differently insofar as using the jab more, moving his head, and charging in less recklessly.
    It was a slight improvement, but it wasn't night and day.

    You say Freddie "ignores his last fight."
    What evidence do you have of that?

    In fact, in one "24/7" segment you see Freddie and Michael Moore studying the Malignaggi fight, commenting, breaking it down.

    By the way, Hatton could afford to be more technical fighting Malignaggi because Paulie can't break an egg.
    Against Pacquiao, however, Ricky might wink at defense for a couple of rounds -- but, then, I assure you, the "Manchester Mexican" will revert back to his old head-first brawler style, because as it becomes clear that he's getting outboxed, the most important mission will be to score the KO no matter what's coming back.

    Then it will be open season for a thunderstorm of Pacquiao's lead lefts, combinations, and countershots until the fight is finally halted.
     
  14. BeaverDan

    BeaverDan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You make some valid points, but I disagree that Hatton could be more technical with Malignaggi because he couldn't break an egg. I say that that's the reason why he shouldn't be technical. Otherwise you could just amble forward in a straight line and knock them out. Being technical just gave Malignaggi every chance to outbox Hatton, which a lot of people on ESB said would happen.

    And you make reference to the 24/7 segment. In that segment, Moorer says Hatton is an overrated fighter who just wrestles, or something like that. But I suspect they are watching the Hatton fights from Tzyu to Lazcano, nothing before and not the one after. That's why I say they're being selective.

    I'll say it now. Don't be surprised if Hatton doesn't fight the way Roach has been saying he will. Equally, I won't be surprised if Haton does fight the way Roach says he will.

    Hatton KO 9
     
  15. Fightfan77

    Fightfan77 Upset-Minded Full Member

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    Team Hatton knew that Malignaggi wasn't a dangerous threat, therefore, it gave Hatton free license to experiment with the brand-new techniques being employed in camp.
    Understand?

    He knew it wouldn't be vicious toe-to-toe warfare, in which, case he would've gone for broke.

    You say, "I suspect they are watching the Hatton fights from Tzyu to lazcano, nothing before and nothing after."
    And I say to you, stop suspecting or speculating -- review the segment itself. It is clear that they are looking at Malignaggi vs. Hatton.
    Moorer is heard saying that Hatton's left range finder is used to blind the opponent so he can come over the top with the right hand.
    But, the discussion and analysis probably went further than that, despite the HBO editing.

    It seems you are nitpicking at random straws in order to convince yourself that Hatton will win.
    But no amount of justification and speculation will change the fact that Pacquiao is simply the superior fighter, and that he will beat Hatton.