Team Parker Dismiss Haye

Tbf to haye he was only really in the heavyweight division for four years moving up from cruiserweight. Fought barrett. Valuev. Ruiz. Harrison. Klitchko. And chisora.

Barrett was the first fight from cruiserweight. Valuev was about 7 foot tall. Harrison the money was too good to turn down. Chisora had went 12 with vitali. And klitchkos klitchko. Its not actually that bad a resume. Only really tells half a story anyway unless you take his cruiserweight career into contention. He polished off pretty much everybody down there. Some good fighters at that. That Momeck was quality.

Haye has his flaws but hes a good addition to that heavyweight division.

Looking at opponents...hes actually probably more proven than ortiz, parker, wilder and joshua.

Should we stop saying joshua would beat anyone of note as his current best wins have been whyte and a couple of unheralded americans.

Parker whos only really beat takam.

Ortiz whos got jennings.

And wilder who has stiverne.

Lets not kid on that david hayes the only one here with the short resume. Are we holding all to the standard your holding haye to or is it different standards for all.

 

To be fair Haye's resume of good wins is from far on the other side of 35 years old, his last good win Haye himself rates as a lesser opponent than Carlos Takam.

 

His age isnt really the argument tho. By all means it can be questioned but we cant really say with any certainty that because hes 36 hes no longer any good. When all we ve seen is him obliterating the two guys he brought across. The argument is looking at opponents. These guys that are praised and haye diminished...and yet they ve not beat any better than haye really. Looking back at that heavyweight division in 2010 there wasnt that much better out there to fight anyway.

If people dont rate haye or fancy him in the current heavyweight division thats fine. You could probably make a valid argument for it. But tearing his opponents apart then not doing the same to the rest isnt really an unbiased argument.

Wilders 31. Joshuas 27 and ortiz is about 40. How come no ones saying ortiz has no chance now hes about 40. Some people actually think hes the best in the division. I ve seen bits of him think hes class. But how come haye is washed up at 36 and ortiz whos older isnt.

How come david hayes not getting the call to fight joshua...desperate for an opponent. We re ready to fight klitchko. Its off...no one left to fight. Either molina or price because no ones available. What about haye. Sorry cant hear you...price or molina.

If hayes as past it as people are claiming...browne to beat him. He d be the one getting the joshua fight. In recent days we ve had browne saying hes no good then bigging briggs up. Now parkers doing it saying haye is easy ruiz is hard. Plus hearns tried to discredit him. If hes not a contender anymore get him in the ring with joshua.

I see a recurring theme here...no one really fancys the job.

 

To re-iterate, it's Dean who has bagged Haye - I think most people here don't rate Haye as a nobody, he has a very "wildcard" thing about him as he's done so little to show where he is over the last 5 years. Definitely high risk/low reward and I'm sure he's not the first choice Team Parker would want to use to throw him into a defense, like Joshua he is still building up - be ironic if his first defense was someone like Haye while Joshua got Breazeale.

While people like to bag Parker, albeit less than before - his resume for the last 18 months is probably one of the best in HW.

 

Good post lith...the only thing tho is its david haye some are accusing of being only willing to fight nobodies or looking for a payday. Staying away from threats. And yet the same people are saying hayes high risk low reward. Parkers team probably dont want to be in with him first defence. Joshua doesnt want to take the risk with him yet. Brownes not wanting to fight him Etc. Etc.

We cant have it both ways. Hayes either doing it...or its the other guys that are.

 

Parker hasn't dodged anyone, at this stage - at least. I think Dean is just trying to talk him up and stir the pot.

I think Browne is one of the biggest talkers and biggest dodgers out there, he will only take fights which position him towards a title fight and ideally against the easiest possible opponent. Parker's fight against Dimitrenko while it LOOKED like nothing, Dimitrenko would rate as one of the best opponents that Joshua has face or arguably Browne's 2nd best opponent after Chagaev and he already had a mandatory shot at AJ.

You WILL NOT see or Haye, Browne do that kind of thing. They are very very careful about their fights though I suppose it could be argued that it's partly because of where they are in their career - however Browne is one of the least active active heavyweights out there.

 

hahahah really? Dimitrenko was just plain pathetic against Parker, and to suggest he was better than annybody that Joshua has faced is pure comedy gold thanks for the laugh though.

 

ONE of the best. I never said THE best. I would rate Breazeale, Martin and Whyte as better than Dimitrenko - the rest I'd rate Dimitrenko as favourite against.... there are a couple I could understand some debate about BUT if you think EVERY other person Joshua has fought is better than him and think I'm funny for suggesting otherwise then you really should not be throwing stones.

Yes, I agree he didn't look great at all against Parker - shows how Parker is progressing, though I'm not suggesting Dimitrenko is elite either but it was a definite demonstration of levels. People keep wahhing about people giving up against Parker, there MIGHT just be a reason for that... and it's not some big conspiracy.

 

Ok sorry i must of misread it.....one of the best, Not THE best lol I think Haye could be a test for Parker due to his ring smarts and ability to use lateral movement. If you watch Parkers opponents, they don't move very much, and have wide open guards that are useless against his very good hand speed. Parker is becoming a good "basics done well" kinda fighter. Its when the level of opponents go up that he becomes suspect. Andy Ruiz will be a good test because Ruiz can take a punch from what ive seen and has some fast counters and sometimes he even moves his head! lol and this makes it a fight to look forward to seeing. Personally, I don't think this fight is particularly worthy of a world title fight. But we will see i guess.

 

Had he had lost to fury then his stock would have undoubtedly and substantially gone down. He simply could not afford for his reputation to go down due to suffering a loss from Tyson Fury of people, who at the time every brainwashed deluded fool and devoted mascot expected for him to walk through. He would have absolutely no credibility as a legitimate HW had he gone through with the fight and taken his beating like a man.

Also David Haye was not bereft of money at the moment in time. He had made his fair share of the back of appearing on cheap tv reality shows. It is only of the present time where you can legitimately argue the man may be suffering financially after his ordeal with a few business decisions in Dubai and Turkey, not to mention the inevitable drawn out divorce and custody battle with his wife, after the foul wretched cowardly bestial excuse of a man went behind his wife of 10 years and cheated on her with numerous pieces of utter cheap filth from the depths off the streets of London.

In regards to your points on the underestimation of Fury - only the unsuspecting ignoramuses of the british public were under the impression that he was no good. Those who studied the sweet science as well as the trainers and professionals within the circle of boxing, understand and knew what Fury was capable of. I believe David Haye saw what fury was capable of and ready to do to him as the fight drew closer.

I do not argue that Haye obviously needed surgery, however through your blind devotion of your savior DH, you deliberately ignore the fact that many fighters postpone surgery's for chronic injuries if they have big fights. They don't just decide on the whim that they are going to cancel a ppv event at the very last minute on the basis of trying to get a long term injury fixed.

Not even the young unconditioned out of shape prospect Dillian Whyte did such a thing. He also suffered with formidable shoulder injuries, yet still gave a respectable account of himself when the clear underdog.

As for Billy, I imagine that you assume that because he is Scottish, then he must know and love every scot? I would wager that had the Mike Towell tragedy not generated the publicity that it did, whether he lived next door to Billy or died on his kitchen floor, I doubt we would see Billy making all these big announcements about what he has done and what he is going to do in order to buff himself up.

Furthermore I have no problem with those of sincerity lending a hand of support in times of need.. However we can surely discuss and underpin individuals intentions and discuss the philosophical question on whether it is right for funeral directors or marginalised boxer coaches to interfere in the lives of the victims of these tragedies and behave as surrogate partners or sugar daddies to the windows. I have witnessed boastful accounts of members on this very site, with these egocentric individuals llisting down all those they have helped in their life. As if one more person credits them with greater esteem and pride. These individuals behave as if the throwing of their silver coins, merits them to be viewed as superior individuals.

There is no doubt in my mind that if Mr Mike Towell was able to project his apparition and share his last thoughts and views, he would unquestionably agree with my sentiments.

 

Parker has done due diligence to earn a title fight, to be fair - if things hadn't gone awry he'd actually be fighting Tyson Fury for WBO or AJ for IBF however... so in that sense yeah, not quite what you picture but still a much more worthy watch than AJ vs Martin or Breazeale, let alone Martin vs Glazkov - so it could be much worse.

 

I definitely agree that the other fighters you mention have weak resumes.
But the difference is that you don't have to go back 4, 5, 6, or 7 years to drag up their modest career achievements.
Ratings should be based on recent form, not what someone did all those years ago.
Admittedly the whole division is poor and slow moving, but we should draw the line against the likes of Haye, whose last worthy win was 4 1/2 years ago ! And his two comeback fights this year were jokes.

 

Heres my problem tho we ve got people saying we should draw a line on haye. And yet the same people complaining about how he hasnt fought anyone in his comeback. What is it to be...we dont want him fighting challengers but we want to mock his opponents. David haye before his comeback was a lucrative fight. He had the ability to pick who he wanted...looking at the scene back then there wasnt really that much to fight. Since the comeback tho in his current position hes no longer a lucrative fight like he once was. Guys trying to sidestep him because theres easier oppertunities out there.

You can probably be right in saying haye took some liberties eg harrison. But wrong to say hes any worse than any heavyweight out there right now. No doubt he ll take bellew next and everyone will complain but at the minute his options are pretty limited which is pretty much out of his control. Lets see if these other heavyweights are any better than your standard for haye is.

 

Hit the nail on the head.