Team Parker Dismiss Haye

Th standard for David Haye is the same as for everyone else.
If ANY heavyweight contender goes 4 1/2 years without beating a decent opponent, and spends the majority of that time completely inactive/retired, THEN that heavyweight should be expected to beat a decent opponent before jumping the queue to a title shot or high ranking.
What don't you understand about that ?

 

Ironically people were very keen to say Tyson Fury deserves to be disregarded (as champion or even as a current ranked contender) after a mere 11 MONTHS of inactivity and talking sh!t, and a total of 2 fight cancellations ...... and some of those same persons are bending over backwards to squeeze David Haye into the picture when he's been inactive, retired (due to "career-ending" injuries) and at least 3 or 4 fight cancellations and several aborted promise comebacks.

So, either those pathetic farces against Mark DeMori and Arnold Garbage go a long way to prove something to some of these "boxing fans" ... OR what it is is a simple case of favouritism towards David Haye.

 

Heres the problem though. David haye in his current position with no promoter and stuck fighting on the dave channel cant afford to get a decent challenger across to fight him to get that high ranking fairly.

His shows dont make enough money. He couldnt even afford briggs. Thats why your getting mark de mori etc. The only way he can get a lucrative fight is if say joshua or bellew eddie hearn fighters or say parker etc pay him the money to fight them. There not doing it. So he has no option but to try to jump them rankings unfairly off the back of de mori or the cobra.

Its pretty clear. And yet it doesnt stop people from still blaming haye for it. When its pretty much outwith his control.
Plenty of guys have came back after lay offs to go straight back into big fights based on their past records. Hayes entertaining in the ring weather people like the man or not. I m not actually his biggest fan outside the ring btw. But that alone him being entertaining should be enough to get him back involved especially when you look at some of the guys out there getting big oppertunities.

People saying fight someone half decent...no one out there is taking what haye can offer. The only way it makes sense is if he either loses money. Fights nobodies that ll accept what he can offer or take on a lucrative fighter that dont seem to want to touch him cause hes still a dangerous proposition. The only one so far that looks willing to fight him with a name is bellew.

 

Why doesn't he sign with a promoter then?

 

Let's not forget that we can easily predict Tyson Fury can be predicted to have an inactivity period of at LEAST 18 months. He's already out 12 months. At the very best case he will have his next fight in 6 months. In a more realistic case more like 12-18 months from here. So yes, there's a very good case to disregard Tyson Fury at this point knowing he will be inactive for a very long time.

Of course Haye is much worse, but just saying.

 

If Haye has something left he destroys parker .that is a big if as he has fought no one since his come back.is he being cautious or does he know something we don't?

 

It's not about "blaming" Haye, it's just about recognizing that he has no business being ranked as a top 10 hw right now. I'm inclined to disagree with the position that he couldn't get a good fight if he wanted it, but it's really neither here nor there. I'm not blaming Haye morally, just noting that he's currently entirely unproven as a top flight hw. He hasn't beaten a contender in 4 and 1/3 years, and since then he's had multiple surgeries and gained alot of weight. His style depends on speed and movement, not bulk. And smaller hw's tend to age worse than larger ones. For those reasons I really doubt he could beat a top 10 hw right now. I'm not "blaming" him for it, i just aknowledge reality and that it's bizarre his fans assume he's as dangerous as he used to be. And yes, many make allowances for him that they don't make for other fighters.

 

Also, I'm not sure even prime Haye beats Parker. Parker's resume is already probably halfway to Hayes hw resume. And his size and power and apparent chin could pose problems to Haye

 

You're correct about Fury, but I'm a bit more lenient and giving benefit of the doubt, partly based on the traditional of linear champion's privilege.

Yes, the point is aimed at those who are harsh on Fury but bend over backwards to accomodate Haye, who is, at this present time, a worse case.

 

Exactly.

Exactly.
I couldn't care less who he fights, how he makes a living, and have no trouble accepting he might have a difficult promotional situation currently.
But I'm going to call out all those Haye fans who want to elevate him to the status of a major force in the division, and point out the reality.
As i said before, I'll be the first to call him a leading contender if and when he does something to prove or suggest that's what he is. And frankly, I'll be mildly surprised if he's still got it in him.

 

Some good comments in this thread - from all sides.

 

The HW division is based on power more than speed and always has since the 90's. If you take a Hw with equal speed and power they are better than had they been with being slightly faster.Based on training footage and his k.o jab win ,I say he looks the part.Now add in those years of boxing experience its a safe bet he beats almost everyone in the top 10 give or take style match ups he will have difficulties with. I don't believe the rankings are to serious,just look at them,do you really think Ruiz should be fighting Parker or Haye?

Alis style was also based on speed but when he added mass he became much more difficult to deal with,and we can say this b/c the 70's guys he fought were bigger and tougher than the 60's ones were. Ali slowed down a little but became a more one punch direct hitter with the right hand, the one that dropped foreman . I believe Haye is stronger now and he hasn't lost a Hw fight outside Wlad .to me theres no direct evidence against him but time off,which looking at the top ten in the WBO is kind of laughable, I cant see how hes not going to ranked when other guys are like Fres and Co.

 

At this stage admittedly no one really knows where hayes at. Hes blown over two mediocre guys lets be honest in pretty decent fashion. His powers still there. His boxing brains still there. His speed although the extra weights slowed him down a bit hes still one of the quicker heavyweights. Hes never really took a pounding from anyone. The only major question mark is his stamina at this point...which was always a bit of a worry.

You ve got to add hes with a new trainer that many claim is genuine world class. Theres a lot of pluses for david haye. I just think its personal against him because people have been turned off the man as opposed to basing it on his abilities. Because he still is a dangerous proposition for anyone in that division right now. I dont think haye would beat all of them even in his prime...but i still think theres one or two big scalps he can still take.

All this talk about not deserving a ranking...is silly talk when you actually sit down and have a look at the rankings. The heavyweight division currently is made up of 4 or 5 guys that are potentially great and one or two aging guys that could still offer something. The rest made up of guys that will never be great. Molina is 8th...up until recently he was a teacher...with no amatuer background. Even briggs is up there. Browne. Osquendo. Duphaus and names not even as good as them.

If you have a problem with haye being in the rankings you ve got to have a problem with half of them.

People have been calling the heavyweight division a borefest for years. And yet its fine to rank the most boring fighters that dont do much or have never done anything. Even just looking at molina who has he actually beat in his career? What about the rest of them. At least haye actually has wins of note. 4 years ago or not.

Go and look at the history of boxing how many guys came back and went straight into big fights based on the past? Loads have.

Its not even based on haye...any exciting heavyweight should be pushed to the forefront in that division. Its not like i m saying haye and no one else.

On a side note you wont hear me critisise fury about boxing. The guy deserves all the credit for going over there and beating klitchko. A feat that pretty much no one came near to doing. Older klitchko or not.

 

Haye has been away from the top tier of the sport for some time so there is a lot of credibility in the argument that he might not be at the level he was at before his enforced break, although I do find it astonishing that Parker and his team are questioning what Haye has left in the tank, based upon the cannon fodder he has beaten up....a half the ability, half the fitness Haye would knock him out within 3 rounds!

 

Have to re-iterate AGAIN, Parker never said that. His promoter did. It's like bait to get people riled up for a fight, and apparently it's working.

The last guy Haye destroyed is no less cannon fodder than the last guy Parker destroyed, btw. Takam would be better than anyone Haye has beaten since 2010.