Team Parker Dismiss Haye

Parkers team talk for Parker forget it being some kind of bait, it appears there is a genuine belief of superiority when has has achieved absolutely zero up until this point in his career - on Hayes worst night he beats him and half of the division up without getting into second gear, or breaking sweat, the real question is he merely back for a cash bonus, because I only see three or four fighters around that he would struggle with, so it all depend upon wether he has a real desire left in my opinion!

 

I've long ago come to the conclusion that Haye fans are, how can I put it, complete fcuking momos.

 

Pretty much everyone here thats had an opinion on this threads pretty much added something mate. Went into detail about their opinions...no ones name calling etc. Makes a change. Then you come on and add nothing with that above. Its a ****ing boxing forum. Lets hear your opinion on it like everyone else thats got involved. I see it as a pretty pointless reply...look everyone haye fans are momos. Its a bit like why bother.

 

I always saw Haye as a fighter that was always scared to engage onto an opponent that could cause him issues. Wlad and Valuev both saw a Haye that sniped in and out again, away from danger but not really doing much. It's how I see the Parker fight going. Difference I see is that Parker would engage if there is any openings...and unlike Wlad would open up rather than clinch.

Good fight regardless...as the old saying goes, styles make fights.

 

Some are for sure. Haye fans posting in here seem a bit like they actually have no idea who they are talking about or interested in any facts or logic and are just arguing about made up characters that they've put real people's names against.

In the mean time he's trying to call out fights with cruiser weights and has come the easiest possible path to top 10 rankings and now avoiding anyone that isn't a huge payday. That is clearly happening, whether or not it means he's just looking for a pay day we'll have to see when he fights someone with a pulse. He certainly looked capable in his fights and by my eye test he's gotta be solid top 15 overall heavyweight.

With the amount we've seen of him so far it's basically moronic to imply that he'd go through the top ten so easy but it'd be equally foolish to say that anyone in the top ten would beat him - especially the way that Dean Lonergan indicated.

In terms of the boxers backing themselves, of course they do - they HAVE to. If you're going to go into a fight convinced the other guy is going to beat you then you've got serious problems.

 

Personally think valuev was just too big and klitchko fought to a very good game plan against haye using his size height reach to his advantage naki. These two were maybe just a bit too big for haye. With him being the smaller man he didnt really want to be clinching with the pair of them.
In and out. Tbh they negated his in using their considerable height/reach advantage. If fury fought like he did against klitchko he would have probably done the same thing to haye. But theres not many like that in the heavyweight division today. Parker/joshua are bigger...but they cant use their advantages near as good as klitchko who was basically a master at it. And valuev was just too big for the in and out to be dominant against for haye.

As you say styles make fights. Looking at that list of names...joshua. haye. Parker. Ortiz. Klitchko. Wilder. And one or two more. Theres definetely guys that would match up well against one and maybe not the other. For the record I think haye does better against joshua. Parker. Wilder. But maybe not against klitchko and ortiz.

Joshua does better against...klitchko wilder maybe not so well against haye and maybe parker.

Bearing in mind their heavyweights they could always go either way with the power these guys punch.

 

I think the top 10 in the division currently is exactly as you say @bbjc, everyone is probably a winner here, and a loser there due to the different fight styles. I don't believe there is anyone out there currently that you could say is destined to be a lineal champ. Regardless of the fanboys shouting from the pub rooftops.


Parker is different though. He will hold them all! LOL

 

I dont get some of that second paragraph lith. Pretty certain the cruiserweight was calling him out....at ringside. I dont get why thats been changed into haye calling bellew out.

I think its been explained why hes not fighting anyone with a pulse because he cant afford them. His shows arent making big money nowadays. What do you want him to do lose money fighting?

Lets say he wants to fight molina for example. Hes only willing to offer him about 200,000 because his shows dont make big money. Molina then puts his ranking at stake to accept the money. Putting him further from a title shot if he was to lose. Out of that 200,000 hes got to pay the coach manager expenses for the camp etc. It gets taxed how much does he have left. To add to that hayes a pretty big puncher...still a dangerous proposition. Bearing in mind opponents were probably getting ten times that to fight him 3 or 4 years ago. Probably more. It doesnt really make sense for the opponent with a pulse. Whereas that moneys good for a de mori or a cobra.

 

Ahhh yeah, I don't know how I got that one mixed up in my head. My bad. I think I heard a comment from Haye somewhere along the line which made me feel like he was the antagonist. I'm going to blame Friday-itis for my second paragraph haha. In regards to calling out bigger opponents, for some reason that was never perceived as a valid excuse for Team Parker who also don't really have a huge budget behind them either so on that side of things, that makes complete sense.

 

Trouble is, whenever you have Haye in the mix logic and objectivity go out the window. Why debate with someone who thinks that a rusty and injury prone Haye coming off a four and a half year hiatus is still going to wipe the floor with a young, active, athletic and battle tested killer like Parker? Where do you even begin to address such rampant nonsense?

 

Think i ve got friday-itis everyday mate. I do that all the time when i m typing. I m not 100 percent sure on parkers situation but pretty sure his last 2 or 3 fights have been on sky sports. Probably gives him more of a budget to get better opponents in. Its a problem for a lot of them in the division. Probably a reason why a lot are sitting doing nothing of interest half the time...waiting on a title fight.

 

Agreed mate. That your man i take it parker...watched a bit of him. Rate him like...like what their doing with starting to get him in for good learning fights. The ruiz fight should tell us a bit more.

Would like to see him v joshua next...just leave klitchko to get a fight or two in to see where hes at.

 

Ability comes into play tho surely mate. Battle tested killer...we re getting a bit far with parker there. Hes had a few half decent wins. Teper whos not really had a single win of note made him work for the 12. Teper is decent tbf. Parker still is largely untested against the top guys in the division tho. I rate him with what i ve seen tbh. I think haye would beat joshua before he beats parker. Yet i d have joshua a favourite over parker atm. It is all about styles. The thing is tho even going off hayes last two walkovers...he still looks like if he lands he can still knock anyone out. Looking back on his career pretty much everyone hes been able to hit has went. His power still seems to be there. I actually think bulking up will give him more of a chance. His speed still looks there also. Slower but still fast enough for a lot of guys out there.

The only two he couldnt get to were valuev and klitchko. He almost knocked valuev out about the only time he hit him in the twelve. And he couldnt get to klitchko cause he controlled distance so well. But can anyone tell me parker/joshua etc control distance as well. Neither of them do cause klitchko was the master at it.

Tbf tho we ve all got different opinions of it...but no one really knows for sure due to the fact the up and comers havent really been tested properly yet plus haye does have big question marks over him...rightfully so. For me tho...if i had to make a bet on what i ve seen. I d still go haye to beat both parker and joshua. I actually think he takes joshua easy. Who i do actually rate but his footwork will kill him against haye.

 

I agree. As I said on page 1, Haye could probably take another 5 years off fighting and he'd still have most these people saying how he'd destroyed the division.

Bigger, younger, hard-punching contenders have absolutely no chance against him.
The fact that even in his prime he somehow avoided bigger, younger, 'live' heavyweight contenders is an irrelevant fact too.

 

He fought a guy about 7 feet tall. And a klitchko. How is that avoiding a challenge as a former cruiserweight. In 2008 which bigger younger live heavyweight contenders were there?

Joshua might be a bigger younger hard punching contender...but his foot speed is made for haye. Haye is actually a very good in and out fighter. The truth is the only one that punched joshua back caused him big problems. We ve only seen him hit once and hes almost went over. For me Haye hits harder than whyte. Not even about that. Haye wont win that fight based solely on his power.

Will come down to if joshua can use his height reach advantages like klitchko did or even valuev or weather haye can use his speed of foot to land. For joshua i will say hes actually decent at keeping distance. It could turn out to be a quick night for joshua.

However...against joshua...his speed of foots too slow. His boxing although good is predictable...a nightmare against a good counterpuncher. His combinations are too slow tbf to him he seems to know when to use them. You have to be smart when punching with haye tho. Even klitchko...edged in...threw the jab with a big reach advantage then threw in some flurries. Joshuas will get caught edging up cause his defensive reactions arent quick enough. I actually think haye shuts him down quite early...he ll counter him then watch joshua stop throwing the combos.

I rate joshua but he ll always look a million dollars against guys with no offense and no foot speed or footwork. He can get away with almost anything with his size and very little coming back to think about. But wait till he goes in with someone that can hurt him with quick footwork. A lot of the things joshuas great at will be negated.

Look at the guys hes been fighting...martin, breazeale and now molina. They all have one thing in common...there footwork is snail paced. Whyte against joshua was quick on his feet...caused him problems! And whytes footspeed isnt even that quick.