Team Pavlik" We tried to make the Paul Williams fight"

The one's on his recent resume who arent called Bernard Hopkins.

 

Well since he's decided to take on nothing but tomato cans since the Hopkins defeat, its difficult to base my analogy on anything else isnt it. Especially since he keeps ducking PWilly, and then make ridiculous accusations like the one's Jack Schitt's just made.

Coming back to Jack, as long as he's in his corner, Pavlik will keep taking L's against decent opposition, especially with that "double the jab" garbage I'll look forward to plenty of that advice in april.

And it could possibly be "pav pressuring the smaller weaker opponent into a later round ko", or most probably it'll once again be him crying in his corner again at how nothing he tries is effective, i guess we'll just have to wait and see.

 

When you say "smaller weaker opponent" how much weaker do you feel Martinez is at 5'11 164?

And to tell you the truth you don't have to be Bernard Hopkins to beat Kelly Pavlik or Carlos Quintana to beat Paul Williams!!!

I understand that Pav can pressure Martinez but don't forget that Pav does not have good defense and gets hit at a very high connect % compared to most boxers!!! So leading up to your later round KO how will Pav be able to cope with taking some punishment and won't that effect his power later in the fight???

The reason why I mentioned this is because it's cool to say Pav will get a late round KO but it seems as if we forget that Pav can get hurt from all the punishment he takes leading up to those later rounds!!!!

 

size: kelly will have the same size advantage against sergio that he did against espino (that's just as a physical comparison not an ability comparison )

strength: i know you hate percentages cuz but you can't argue w/ kelly having an 86% ko ratio overall and a 100% ko ratio at mw. you can scream till you pass out !!!!!!!!!!! about some of those guys being nothing more than brawlers, etc....but many of them had never been stopped. sergio has a 50% ko ratio at ww and jmw against less than stellar opposition. i'll be the first to tell you those percentages arent the be all end all but it makes it obvious that kelly will have a significant strength advantage.

kelly taking shots: point being? he always does. he's had 100 punches a round thrown at him by miranda who made his name knocking people through the ropes. he also got hit at will at lhw by bernard and didnt stop moving forward. i seriously doubt sergio will hit kelly with anything, be it one punch or a combo that will make kelly say "whoa **** i'm in over my head here." whereas sergio has no frame of reference whatsoever for what he'll be hit with by kelly. how could he? cintron has a big punch but its not near the same thing.

 

so you admit you have no frame of reference at all....hence the wait and see approach?

 

Espino doesn't have half the speed, power, defense, ring smarts, experience as Martinez and he was able to hit Pavlik at damn near a 50%D) connect rate so you know Pavlik is gonna be in for a long night!

Miranda is a Brawler not a boxer and is tailor made for a guy like Pavlik ex: Mayorga was tailor made for Tito

Bernard was never known to be 1. A KO puncher 2. To have tremendous speed 3. The quicker man in the ring; so when you say Bernard hit him with everything and KP still moved foward then I have to say that Bernard always baits his opponent in by letting them be the aggressor(Pavlik) and uses his defense to counter shots along with his rock head!!!!!

Also don't assume Cintron doesn't have just as good a punch as KP(maybe slightly less) because he's a JMW!!!!!!!

 

i like sergio. just b/c i don't think he's gonna win and is being overrated b/c of how he performed against paul doesnt mean i don't like the guy. what's not to like about him?

but he's been ko'd by margo, drew w/ cintron and lost to williams. none of those three have ever been accused of being hard to find nor have any of the three been accused of being hopkins-esque in their approach to fighting. i feel williams would have beaten him convincingly if he had a full camp to prepare for him.

now all of a sudden sergio is this phantom in the ring w/ the ability to hurt kelly and possibly stop him late (an opinion of a lot of people and one that i believe has been expressed by you previously)

i just don't get it...or maybe i do and its you who just doesnt get it i kid cuz i kid.

again, kelly is being underrated here and sergio is being overrated.

 

At least drop a link if you don't know how to copy/paste in proper colors.

 

They never underestimated Hopkins, they prepared the way they always did and ended up schooled completely against someone as old as his father. What happened in that fight wasn't underestimation, it was Hopkins abusing Pavlik's endless flaws and smashing his face from one corner to another all the way a lot of tears in Pavlik's eyes walking to his dressing room. That's what happened.

Now that the Martinez fight is happening that's FINALLY a decent middleweight title defense worth tuning in for since he won it in 2007.

To those that don't know, the Hopkins fight was a move up in weight and the Taylor rematch was a catchweight so both those fights weren't Middleweight title defenses. The title defenses are as follows: Gary "The Rocket" Lockett, Marco Antonio Rubio (A.K.A El Zombiano) and Miguel Angel Espino who promises to avenge the loss to Manfredo Jr. sometime in the near future. That was Kelly Pavlik's entire terrifying Middleweight reign and there are losers like you that will try to defend it while indirectly bashing Abraham, Abraham's title defenses of his IBF Middleweight title makes Pavlik look like a fraud.

 

black letters on a black message board really makes sense OP, anyways Paul Williams tried twice to make the fight happen Pavlik Legitimately or illegitimately backed out twice and Paul Williams wasn't going to deal with putting together another camp and dealing with Team Pavlik unless his reward was higher. Arum/Pavlik refused and Paul moved on. I don't get why Pavlik fans have such a hard time understanding that.

 

If I have to spell it out in trivial detail for you, I will.

underestimate
1. to make too low an estimate of he underestimated the cost
2. to think insufficiently highly of to underestimate a person


Yes, Team KP thought "insufficiently highly" of B-Hop prior to that fight. In every single interview Jack Loew did pre-Hopkins, his estimation of the fight was simply that KP would just "go in there and apply pressure" and that Hopkins would inevitably succumb. There was no mention of how Pavlik was going to close down the ring and stop Hopkins from just shutting down his work rate (as he did), how he was going to handle him on the inside (which he couldn't), how he was going to avoid getting countered off pretty much every punch he threw (which he was). In fact, they spent more time thinking about knocking out (!) Hopkins than they did boxing him. CLEARLY that constitutes under-estimation. Now, I'm not saying he could have beaten Hopkins had he trained more thoroughly, but a more thoughtful camp might have helped. Thankfully, they appear to have learned from that experience and aren't just going to go blundering in with the kind of pressure he applied vs. Miranda in the Martinez fight.

How dare Pavlik defend his title against his mandatories! What a ducking *******!

Unlike Abraham, Pavlik HAD to fight Lockett, Rubio and Espino, because they were MANDATORIES. Now, I would have thought you'd been following the sport long enough to grasp what that meant, but obviously not, so I'll explain. Mandatory bouts HAVE to be undertaken by a fighter lest they be stripped of their belts by the sanctioning bodies. Pavlik had no choice. And it doesn't matter anyway: Lockett, Rubio and Espino were all highly-ranked contenders however you look at it. Abraham CHOSE to have VOLUNTARY defences against the likes of #43 ranked Lajuan Simon, who actually carried him the distance and whom Sebastian ****ing Sylvester recently did a more convincing job of beating. atsch

And who's that in your avatar? Carlos Baldomir anyone?

 

Oh, you mean his mandatory opponents ranked in the top 3? Try getting your carer to actually read the ****ing news to you next time.

 

the one thing that williams fans are never very convincing of is why exactly why williams deserves any split better than 60 40 to fight the undisputed champ who is undefeated at middleweight. Idont get it williams has never carried a stellar ppv card he has never sold out a big time arena i.e. the winky wright fight at mandalay left more than half the seats empty and has never had stellar ratings on hbo. Williams has never been an undisouted champ in any weight class and his biggest victory at mw is over an inactive old faded winky wright. Williams isnt very marketable and doesnt draw or sell and he really doesnt have an impressive resume above ww so i dont understand the nerve of demanding all this money it sounds like a classic example of pricing yourself out of a fight you or your team is unsure of

 

pavlik is a very limited fighter who will struggle with the slick martinez however williams is nearly equally as limited and pavlik would have a field day with a guy like williams who is going to stand their and exchange williams will be giving up his one advantage his size in this fight and if martinez could hurt him and get his respect with his power pavlik will knock him out of the ring

 

once again what has williams done in terms of his ratings ticket sell or his resume above ww to warrant anything near a 50 50 split, team williams is asking for something unprecedented to price themseleves out of the fight