Technical Thread : You're Sergio Martinez. How do you fight JCC Jr?

similar to how he fought pavilk and start reusing the jab alot more like sergio did in his early fights and not let jr get him near the ropes, sergio likes to vary the position of his hands when punching a straight one two isn't really straight the second punch tends to come from a different angle this will confuse jr.Also I think sergio's power will hurt jr, he should focus on the body

 

Drill him with hard counter shots from the get go. Conserve yourself and pick your shots so you have the stamina to take pressure for 12 rounds. Bust the guys face up, swell it up and cut it.

 

stick the str8 left to his body. I don't know just exactly how durable Julio Jr is, but it has been shown time and time again that iron chinned heroes can still suffer if you punch them in the body. Mosley and emmanroid nearly folded margo(e) over with I believe str8s to the body.

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This fight has parallels to margarito(e) vs Cotto(e), Mosley, and emmanroid.

What did Mosley and Cotto(e), in the rematch, do that emmanroid and Cotto(e), in the original fight, did not do? They made life easier for themselves by CLINCHING.

He shouldn't stay long in the clinches as it can be draining on the smaller and shorter man. I wouldn't be surprised if Julio Jr is physically stronger than him.

Use the clinch as a tool to get the ref to reset them and to conserve energy. Sexy Sergio has had stamina issues in the past when pressured. Like emmanroid neither of them know the meaning of being economical. With the clinch Sexy Sergio can move less instead of buzzing around like a mosquito.

 

Good post. Pretty much agree on all that.


When Sergio really turned around on Pavlik in the last 4 rounds, he was shooting really fast right hooks over top every time Pavlik went to jab (which was a lot haha).


It's not gonna be easy at this point. Julio just keeps coming and that's gonna take a lot of effort. :yep

 

Chavez has no jab, absolutely none. He will lose.

 

Martinez is usually very well conditioned, although he did gas early on against Macklin before he caught the second wind.

He must not move in straight lines, Chavez will just reach with that right hand and try to trap him. Never move the same way consistently. Step a few paces to the left, and then shuffle back to the right. Chavez gets better as the fight goes on, so an early body attack will not hurt. Lee had solid success with his jab and Martinez' hands are faster.
I'd call for jab, circle, ambush tactic where he allows Chavez to reach with that right hand as he tries to close the gap, step out, and then step in as he's out of position.

 

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Pretty much....

 

I will say that Chavez has good footwork to get to mid range where he lunges in and uses his size to bully you to the ropes. Martinez cannot get in that mid range. Chavez will be the stronger man on fight night and outweigh him by about 10 lbs(maybe less)


Most importantly, he shouldn't let Chavez land to the body early. He must win the first 3 rounds or so without taking too much punishment if he wants to decision or stop JR late.

 

Have a bigger ring then Andy Lee got.

 

Keep you'd hands up, Protect your body & stay off the ropes...
Nothing else he can do besides that, ride it out.

Collect your paycheck & retire in peace.

 

The last thing you want to do if you're Sergio Martinez is to get into a close-range slugfest with Jr. leaning on you in the corners or on the ropes with his head on your chest/shoulder while he pounds away at you with short hooks. Sergio is older, and probably cannot afford to have a much bigger man pounding on him and leaning on him in close range if he wants to still be fresh and able to mount a late push; recently, Sergio has started slowly and drops some of the early rounds before mounting a late push and finishing his opponents (this happened to both Macklin and Barker recently.)

I can't see him being fresher than Chavez Jr. late, so he'd better try and start faster and be a little more aggressive in this fight, or else Chavez will put too many early rounds in the bank.

The guard: usually, Sergio has fought with both hands down at his sides, but against Chavez Jr., I would suggest he modify his stance a little, partially to protect himself, and partly to encourage Chavez Jr. into doing something that might leave him vulnerable. To this end, I would have Sergio fight with his right hand held higher, around the cheek/chin, which would protect him from the left hook to the head and the jab, but leave an opening Chavez Jr. would love to exploit with his favorite punch- the left hook to the body. As for the left hand, it could stay low as usual, again to protect against body shots from Jr.'s right hand, but also inviting Jr. to come at his head with overhand rights/right hooks.

What to do against Chavez's attacks: To counter the left hook to the body Chavez loves to throw, I would try to encourage Sergio to work on three punches- the right hook, the right uppercut, and a right-handed version of De La Hoya's "45 punch" (that diagonal half-hook, half-uppercut thing.) The right hook would be thrown as a first resort, if Martinez could see the attack before Chavez started to lean down for the hook to the body (and move himself too low and in to be hit clean by it.) The 45 punch would be plan B, if Chavez had just started to lean in and throw it (meaning it would be too late for the right hook), and would be thrown with the intention of catching Chavez on the jaw from a weird angle. If Chavez was able to disguise the attack well, and neither of those were feasible, then a short right uppercut as Chavez got in close would be the next best bet. After any of these attacks, Martinez should quickly seek to move to his right, whilst simultaneously looking to drill Chavez with the left hook to the body or an overhand left to the head (depending on the position of Chavez's right hand) before exiting out to the right.

Against the right hook/overhand to the head the guard would invite Chavez to throw, Martinez should seek to duck under it towards his right (again to facilitate the attacks to Chavez's head while moving out to the right), while simultaneously bringing a left hook to Chavez's body or an overhand left to his head (Martinez's strongest punch, the one he took out Williams with and his best shot at seriously hurting Jr.)

Close Range: The advice listed above would be for mid range, when Chavez would be trying to close the distance. If he manages to bull his way in and get Martinez on the ropes or in a corner, Martinez's best bet would be to use his higher right arm (from the modified guard suggested above) laterally in front of his face, and then use the forearm to push slightly back on Chavez's face (a little like what Floyd does in close at times), before coming up with the low left hand for a big left uppercut on Jr's. chin. The left uppercut would be the weapon of choice in close, but Martinez shouldn't seek to hang around trying to nail Jr. repeatedly in close range; after landing a few big shots, he should seek to immediately tie up while ducking out to either side (whichever side Jr. happens to be throwing head shots toward at a given time), leaving Martinez with his back to the ring once more before the referee breaks the clinch up, allowing Martinez to get back to counterpunching/boxing in the center of the ring, where he wants to be.

Long range: I would advise Martinez to circle towards his right, both to encourage Jr. to spam the left hook to the body (and open up countering opportunities for Martinez) as well as keeping him away from the one potential flaw of these tactics- leaving the head open to overhand rights and right hooks. Moving towards his right would also allow Martinez to get more power in his left hand, especially on a forward-moving Chavez. I would advise Martinez to try and keep Chavez at range as long as possible with the right jab to disrupt his vision, or to try and sneak through the high guard of Chavez, while also throwing wide right hooks off the jab to get around Chavez's high guard. Martinez should also throw straight lefts to the body (when Chavez's guard is up) or to the head (whenever Chavez throws rights at his head), all while moving ducking down to the right while Martinez is moving out toward his right. In terms of combinations, I'd recommend the right hook to the head followed by the straight left to the body (or the head, if Chavez happens to be throwing a right at that time.)

In short, the key would be to capitalize on Martinez's much greater handspeed, footspeed, reflexes, and power to minimize time spent on the ropes or in the corners, bait Chavez into over-relying on certain attacks, and then making him pay for those attacks, while doing whatever he can to keep it in the center of the ring, at either mid or long range. A close-ranged fight on the ropes or in the corners carried on for any length of time inevitably favors the bigger, younger Chavez to grind down Martinez, so he would have to do whatever he could to avoid that.

 

If you could create a fighter to make Julio Cesar Chavez look bad, it would be Sergio Martinez. Seriously, what Chavez's people are thinking here is beyond me. It's going to be an absolute destruction, and here's why:

Speed. Simple as that. The difference in both handspeed and speed of foot is going to be noticeable from the first bell and it's too much for JCC to overcome imo. He doesn't have the ring IQ, the jab, the versatility or the power to neutralise such a defecit in a key area.

JCC's best weapon is the left hook imo (he throws this well to the body) but, like Ricky Hatton, he often telegraphs this and makes it clear when he's going to throw it. Over the last 3 years or so, Sergio Martinez has developed a very, very effective right hook and this was especially noticable in the Kelly Pavlik fight. If i was Sergio i'd definitely be countering JCC's left hook with a counter right hook of my own and i'd do this early and often.

Anything that has came out of JCC Sr's **** is going to be durable as **** but landing the counter hook early could possibly make JCC tentative and nervous about throwing his own hook. A pressure fighter like JCC (and i imagine he'll play the pressure fighter role in this fight aswell) does not want to be tentative in any way possible, it would completely disrupt his gameplan. An example is Margarito against Mosley. The whole pre-fight handwrap scandal was definitely in his head and he didn't come forward with the same aggression, the same intensity or the same fire that he had against Cotto and this was cause by him being tentative.

Sergio often starts quickly, has a bit of a breather in the middle and then finishes strong. I'm not quite sure why people have been saying he lacks stamina, that's a bit of a myth imo. He's always tremendously conditioned and his style requires alot of energy. I think he could actually get away with having a breather in this fight, assuming that he wins the majority of the first 6 rounds, which i imagine he will. In fact, if i was on his team i'd actually recommend it. Come out firing as usual and focus on getting Chavez to throw the hook before countering with your own. Use the jab (which he used very effectively against Dzindiruk. I really couldn't believe how he did it that night, it was astonishing!) to set-up the straight left aswell, throw combinations, dart of at angles and get into a rythem from round 1. Martinez is spectacular when he gets into a rythem as he just lets his hands go and the punches flow. He's also very durable and despite Chavez being massive, he's not a huge puncher and i can't see him stopping Sergio.

Head movement will be a big factor and Sergio has great head and upper body movement. It's often his best defence (along with his legs) and it will cause JCC to tire imo. JCC will be taking alot of shots which will slow him down anyway, but there's not many things that are more tiring than hitting thin air repeatedly. Sergio doesn't block alot of shots like many fighters, he causes his opponent to miss completely which has contributed to some of his recent late stoppages imo.

Chavez's footwork is extremely slow and predictable. He comes forward in straight lines aswell which is absolutely the worst possible thing for someone to do against a fighter with the speed, angles and combinations of Martinez. As soon as Chavez walks forward i'd throw a combination, dart off at angle, throw a combination, dart off at an angle etc. Chavez doesn't have the versatility to adapt to this tactic, his lack of speed wouldn't allow him to.

One other thing i've noticed is that Chavez doesn't throw as he's moving in. He likes to wait untill he's inside and then throw which is a mistake imo. This means that he often smothers alot of his own work. There's a misconception that pressure fighters have to be on the inside but alot of the great pressure fighters like to be at mid-range and throw shots as they're coming in because it gives them room to extend themselves into the shot. It also prevents their opponent from tieing them up on the inside and stopping their momentum. A guy like JCC thrives on momentum and i think Sergio would be wide to use the clinch effectively at times to stop this from happening.

 

fight anywhere but Texas.