Technical Thread : You're Sergio Martinez. How do you fight JCC Jr?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by SJS19, Jul 8, 2012.


  1. Hook!

    Hook! Proud member of team G. Full Member

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    does sergio posses the skill to turn chav onto the ropes when trapped?
     
  2. Collie

    Collie Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If I was giving advise to Martinez, I'd say something like this. Its quite simple really: Don't let Chavez Jr walk you down.

    Use variation and be unpredictable. Win the first few rounds using the jab and without expending too much energy, before Chavez (often slow starter) comes forward with more intent in Rds 3-4.

    Don't get pinned on the ropes.

    Half-step back or to the side and counter (esp with hooks) when Chavez comes forward. Make him respect your power and think twice about rushing in.

    Try to leave some room in the tank for when Chavez gets more desperate later in the fight chasing it and oppertunities will present to connect with solid shots.
     
  3. SJS19

    SJS19 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Honestly, I think that depends on Chavez. If the Mexican leaves an angle then Sergio is more than capable of slipping away. If the big guy uses his frame, e.g. his stance to block one direction, and punches (Ideally a jab, or hook to the body) to block the other one, then Sergio will be low on options. That's why I suggested the clinch, the ref will have to break them and step inbetween. Sergio should then use the ref as a shield until he is closer to the centre of the ring.


    My own breakdown :

    Train to move for twelve rounds, but also focus on one shot power. It's vital that he gains Chavez' respect, and forces the Mexican to think his way into close range. This will buy Martinez another second or two to decide on his own course of action. (preferably evasive.)

    Modify that damn gaurd. Bring those hands up, and tuck the elbows in. Protect your body, and keep your hands higher so that they are closer to the target when you behin to punch. (See Khan vs Malignaggi. Khan held his hands high, thus allowing him to land far quicker on Paulie.) We want an efficient jab, and sharp quick pot shots, so holding hands high is perfect for now.

    Feint to buy distance. All fighters fall for feints, Martinez needs to feint Junior into conceding a half step, thus allowing Sergio to use his most vital asset, his legs.

    Jab. Martinez probably won't have the advantage when it comes to jabbing on the night, but he needs to maintain some sort of activity. This is a top rank card, and Chavez will throw alot of punches. Martinez needs to jab, and circle to his right, doubling and trippling up on it. Activity will provide him with the base to win the round on his clean punching.

    Counter Chavez's jab. Watch the Pavlik fight, and see Sergio come over the top of Kelly's jab with a right hook. This requires composure, timing and explosiveness. If there's space after landing the right hook, then dip low and shoot a straight left to the body, then pivot out on the back foot, and return to circling and jabbing. Back to that base.

    Once the right hook has been landed a few times, then feint it. Feint to throw the right hook, and then fire the straight left. First to the pit of the stomach, and then land it on the chin. Clean punching is Sergio's clearest advantage here. Then back to moving, back to that jab, back to frustrating the big guy.

    Punch to Chavez's chest. Why the hell this art has died, I'll never know. Want to stop a huge guy walking you down? Punch him in the solar plexis, and then punch him in the heart. Watch him slow down after this.

    Play to the crowd. Win the psycological battle. Land a straight left, hold your left hand up and show it landed. It's a top rank card, so use the stage to make your own statement.

    Just a few things.
     
  4. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I can't even recall seeing the dude shaken, let alone hurt. I think with his style if he was hiding something fragile, it would have shown up.
     
  5. Hook!

    Hook! Proud member of team G. Full Member

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    i was speaking to my friend about this (he boxes) saying how you step in with your left leg when you have them trapped then you throw the right hook as they try to spin out to the left, in chav case like you said the hook to the body is the one to use.

    You see Andy lee can box but nothing special, he managed to frustrate chavez, sergio is a better boxer and much quicker HOWEVER sergio does lack discipline.
    i can see sergio shipping some big combos late but i think he will win the first 8 rounds-ish, i just think he will be far too sharp for chavez, the only thing that i think is a danger is him tiring late, he will have to be able to move late otherwise he could be stopped.

    i completely agree about countering chavez jab, andy did it to a good extent, chav is far too open for the left to me, i don't see how he won't destroy chavez especially in the first 8 rounds. maybe even a ref stoppage.
     
  6. ocelot

    ocelot Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If Junior gets the ring size he wants, and always gets, basically 6X6, Martinez is going to have tough going. He'll need room to punch and move. I see this as basically a Cotto v Margarito type fight. The smaller guy has to use superior skill and speed and angles to wear down the bigger, stronger, and in this case, younger fighter. Martinez tends to gas later in fights, so I'm not sure how well he'll do under the constant pressure of Junior. My money's on Junior to stop Martinez late. Then, shockingly leave the arena without having taken a **** test.
     
  7. SJS19

    SJS19 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Bump. Not long now!

    Maybe we can get some real Boxing talk on the General Forum too.
     
  8. SugarShane_24

    SugarShane_24 ESB good-looking member Full Member

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    I know it's not that simple but...

    Sergio has good footwork, and head movement. He should stick to that to avoid Jr's headshot.

    He needs to keep his hands by his sides so he can quickly defend the body as Jr is a brutal body puncher as well.

    Plus, his advatage in speed (I think) which would make it easier for him to stick and move especially with his underrated jab.

    Yeah, I agree with the analysis of following the gameplan against Pavlik, except that Pavlik is very slow and hesitates while Jr. will throw punches when he wants too.
     
  9. tliang1000

    tliang1000 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    hit and run floyd vs chico style.
     
  10. chitownfightfan

    chitownfightfan Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think he'll opt to get a cut over his eye and try to get outta there before 10...it's his only way of winning by piling up early rounds.
    He builds a 5-2 type lead then starts feeling the heat and finds way to get bloodied soas he can escape the body attack which is about to overwhelm him.

    If he doesnt try to get out, and somehow tries to win on merit and ability alone, he's getting KTFO.:deal
     
  11. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    To be honest the way Martinez looked against Macklin...
    IF Jr. Don't force Sergio to quit before 10rds I'll be disappointed.
     
  12. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Make it an even playing field: take PEDs, the rest is quite obvious.
     
  13. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    Sergio's latest performances???
    (Maybe dude is off the "Juice" himself)

    Just sayin'
    (Not accusing)
     
  14. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    Massive heartbreak for fans exists in boxing. :yep





    :p
     
  15. InHumanForm

    InHumanForm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree with this, but he needs to make sure to avoid the mid-fight lull he had in that fight as well where Pavlik did win a couple of rounds. With someone like Jr. who throws punches in bunches and with authority, you can't afford to take any rounds off.


    Martinez needs to use his footwork, jab and feints to set Chavez up for a nice straight/overhand left (mix it up). Once he is able to land the left a bit more often and with more authority, he can work to follow it up with a right hook and see how Chavez takes his power.


    If he hurts Chavez at all, keep doing what's working, but definitely don't smother things and don't look to KO Chavez by going all out if he does get hurt.

    Dude basically needs to fight cautious, but ready to strike with absolute quick power shots when he sees the opening. Once that opening is closed, he needs to move and get the **** away from the ropes. Keep it in the middle of the ring and keep Chavez turning away from his right hand.


    It's going to be an intense affair, even if there is not a lot of action (seems doubtful that would be the case)...definitely one of those fights where you can feel that any punch, at any time, could stop things. ****in LOVE fights like that!