Technicans are not boring. Negative boxers are boring.

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  1. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    There is a difference. No doubt guys like Rigo, Hopkins, Wlad, Mayweather, Lara, etc. Are skilled. But many people find them boring. Their skill is not what makes them boring. WTF? How does skill make someone a boring fighter? What's boring is when you have a negative style. When you base your gameplan on defusing your opponents attack through clinching, running, shoulder rolls, headbutts, footwork, etc. That bores a lot of people.

    But skilled fighters are not boring. James Toney tremendous skill, not boring. Marco Antonio Barrera absurd skill, not boring. Julio Cesar Chavez not boring. Alexis Arguello not boring.

    And perhaps the most technically skilled man of the last 50 years, Roberto Duran. Definitely not a boring fighter.
     
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  2. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Hit and Not Get Hit..
    ...notice how it does actually say 'hit' at the start. The problem with Lara and Mayweather etc. is that they don't hit enough, so they don't really embody it as well as their biggest fans believe. Some unfortunately go as far to say defensive boxers are the best boxers ever.
     
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  3. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Youre right. This post just shows how clueless they really are. It takes skill to land really clean power shots.
     
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  4. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Yup, it also takes skill to land a higher number of shots and takes skill to stay in punching range - it's a shame this isn't given enough value by the scoring system.
     
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  5. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Honestly, judges need to consider penalizing fighters for excessively leaving the pocket.
     
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  6. Blackclouds

    Blackclouds Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tell that to JMM who was ignored when he was fighting along side action fighters Barrera and Eric Moralas until he beat one. The title of the thread is from somebody who dksab. Basically if the "negative" fighter is somebody you're rooting for then it's technical.

    I think different types of fighters should have a path to victory. Otherwise all we'd get is non skilled rockem sockem. Those non skilled fights are more frequent than you think and are boring as ****. It's idiots like many of you who cosigned Froch robbing Dirrell during the super six.
     
  7. Caper

    Caper How about a fair shake? banned Full Member

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    I always thought offensively speaking Trinidad was extremely skilled but limited defensively. I know most would easily say GGG destroys Trinidad but when you look at the numbers physically speaking the size wasn't that off and Tito never backed down not once vs anyone Hopkins, Jones.....it would have been an absolute war until Tito eventually got stopped or maybe GGG eats a left hook that lands on the button.
     
  8. Flamazide

    Flamazide Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    ****, not only that but put yourself in position to hit again and repeat. Make him miss and make him pay.
     
  9. ZODIUS!!!

    ZODIUS!!! The certified boss banned Full Member

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    No way wlad is boring his knockouts are epic
     
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  10. Flamazide

    Flamazide Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    I've always been turned off by his excessive clinching. That is one thing that has always bothered me.
     
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  11. renyo

    renyo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    When you focus more on not getting hit, by any means necessary even illegal tactics as opposed to causing damage, then yes you are negative. And i have no clue as to how judges have come to reward this tactic.
    People always say it's do hard to be more defensive but I disagree wholeheartedly. I could easily see some of these fast, agile, offensive guys changing up and stinking the joint out. But we have no clue about these negative fighters, are they hiding weak chins that won't allow them to throw more than a handful of punches a round without getting tagged and wobbled.
     
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  12. ZODIUS!!!

    ZODIUS!!! The certified boss banned Full Member

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    I agree that wlad clinches too much however I do not find him boring
     
  13. lepinthehood

    lepinthehood When I'm drinking you leave me well alone banned Full Member

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    wlad is boring, but his knockouts are great. problem is he usually needs to have his opponent completely dominated and not able to throw before he lets his hands go. that to me is boring ****.

    The last fight klitchko entertained me in was his demolotion job with the left hook repeatedly crushing pulev. otherwise and between then his fights have been boring to watch. hes not an entertaining fighter.
     
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  14. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    For me its when a boxer clearly outclass the other guy but will not take the chance to engage or get the other guy out of there. Rigo vs Drian Francisco comes to mind. That was a boring fight. Rigo should have had Drian out of there or should have put on a clinic showing. Instead it was a jab and hold fest for 10 rnds.
     
  15. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    I agree with the title... that negative fighters are boring. i just dont agree that Mayweather Ward Rigo and Hopkins are negative fighters.