"Technique"

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  1. reznick

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    Don't think I disagree with any of this.
     
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    Just some more perspective to add to the topic:

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    I agree a lot with Max here.
     
  3. mcvey

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    I'm not big on Kellerman but McGregor came out of it with credit.TBH He was in a no lose situation!
     
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    The skill gap was huge though. And though McGregor had no pro boxing it seems kind of misleading to call him a "complete novice."
     
  5. mrkoolkevin

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    Spot on.
     
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    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Max made some great points. Though most of McGregor's "111 punches" were harmless arm punches, he exceeded expectations, and showed great athleticism, preparation, and fighting intelligence.
     
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  7. mrkoolkevin

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    Huh? I don't get it.
     
  8. Unforgiven

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    The skill gap is huge, in terms of boxing.

    But McGregor, as a finely trained elite striking operator in UFC, I would expect to be more "impressive" than a debut novice of similar limited boxing background but without the elite UFC credentials. That stands to reason.
     
  9. reznick

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    He doesn't even have a real amateur pedigree,
    like Pete Rademacher for instance.

    I pretty much agree with Leonard's take

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  10. Unforgiven

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    The fight wasn't completely on the level, and everyone knows that deep down. It was obvious from the moment it was announced. From Mayweather's perspective this was a lucrative exhibition, a theatrical event, and he couldn't lose. He didn't really need to train and it wasn't a proper un-retirement.

    But few in the industry are going to spell it out because for them money is the bottom line.
    If people want to believe it the legitimacy of such fights, that's a whole new door to a gold mine waiting for promoters to plunder at the expense of all the suckers.
     
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    He'd be a clear underdog going up against a debuting Olympic gold medalist his own size too.
     
  12. reznick

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    How so?
    You can't make up demand.

    Don't think there will be an opportunity like this for promoters any time soon.
     
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    Those UFC guys are all very "tough" too. I'm sure there are a good few who would be willing to take a beating with 8 ounce gloves for big money and the 1-in-1000 chance they can somehow win against a ranked professional boxer in a boxing match.

    Boxers (prime) crossing over to UFC isn't going to happen because the risks of injury (broken arms etc) that would kill their boxing careers.
    The UFC guys have less to lose, barring the unlikely occasional tragic events.

    So I expect other UFC guys to follow McGregor's lead sometime, they just need the same schtick and a big persona, and charisma.
    Boxing promoters will be very interested in these matches now. And it's easy money for the boxers.
    Today's boxers have Mayweather as THE role model.

    The sad thing is, legit boxing will take a backseat to this. I'd like to think proper boxer fans don't buy this stuff, but it doesn't matter because the broadcasters and the casuals are what matters.
     
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    Of course you make up demand. Or stimulate it massively.
    That's what promoting and marketing is all about.
     
  15. reznick

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    Maybe, but now the public knows what an uphill battle a UFC crossover athlete would have to climb to take on a top boxer. Not like everyone has amnesia.

    Legit boxing will take a back seat? This was one of the biggest events for boxing in the history of the sport. And may have boosted its popularity and importance to new heights. Without events like these, the sports popularity becomes vulnerable.

    At the end of the day it's called prize fighting. It's always been for the biscuit. Marquees of Queensberry is just a rule set everyone agreed to to standardize combat entertainment. Humans don't serve boxing, boxing serves us. And if everyone agrees that McGreggor deserves a shot at Floyd because of X Y and Z, than so be it. It's not like the fight didn't have to survive the harshest of scrutiny to even materialize anyway.

    To me this bout was pretty important. The general public was starting to lose respect for boxing. And it was a big reminder of the level of abilities and skill sets great boxers possess. And it revitalized the accomplishments of past fighters.
     
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