Teddy Atlas assesses Calzaghe - Hopkins correctly

drvooh · Apr 24, 2008

PrideOfWales said:

Could that be anything to do with the punch square in his face which scrambled him a bit?
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RD 1?? yes, pretty good counter right, shook Joe a bit. I just wonder if he'd have won easir, if they were at 168,,hmmm just a thought

Lar Janus · Apr 24, 2008

Cobbler said:

Why twice try to fake a low blow to get a break if you're not in serious trouble?
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He may not have been staggered w/blows to the head, but he was obviously VERY winded, hence the acting and that p.o.s. Cortez allowing BHop to rest. A fighter who is O.K. doesn't resort to sh*t like that. Cortez should've counted him out, being that there is NO WAY he saw a low blow.

Good points from Atlas.

Giving 6 rounds to Hopkins was a very big stretch (I could see 5 MAX), also. Glad the right man's hand was raised.

RUSKULL · Apr 24, 2008

charlievint said:

They weren't fake breaks...they actually did happen and b/c there were low blows. Whether or not they were hard enough to affect the boxer is unknown. Hop only knows and he said the were legit.
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Yeah, so let's just take the ol' codger's word for it then ay? Dumbass. He was clearly buying time & the ref wasn't buying it the second time around since thereWASN'T EVEN A PUNCH THROWN!

RUSKULL · Apr 24, 2008

****in aye, when will the bull**** cease? Atlas is right, Hopkins was out worked big time. Don't start in again about the age bull**** either because obviously at age 36 Calzagne has seen better days himself and nobody told either of them they had to fight each other. Each of them knew what skills, speed & reaction time they had left - they chose to fight, end of story.

sthomas · Apr 24, 2008

PrideOfWales said:

I guess he elaborated!
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I was hoping for more specifics and a more in depth answer to my question.

sthomas · Apr 24, 2008

Thread Stealer said:

The heart of the matter as it relates the dispute, as it usually is in boxing, is money. Michael Spinks had plans on vacating his strangle-hold on the light-heavyweight division, creating a trio of vacancies. Atlas and Wolf believed that with the proper maneuvering and the proper training, Lalonde could be moved into one of those three vacant belts at 175 pounds. Atlas was gone by the time the Golden Boy captured gold in 1987, winning the vacant WBC light heavyweight championship against Eddie Davis with a second round stoppage. A successful defense of the title followed, and then the multi-million dollar payday. With Vince McMahon of WWE wrestling fame handling the promotion for the pay-per-view, Donny Lalonde and Sugar Ray Leonard would meet not only for Lalondes light-heavy belt, but also the newly created super-middleweight belt at 168 pounds. For Leonard, a chance at an unprecedented five championships at five different weight categories. For Lalonde, a unique unification opportunity in which he would drop down to 167 pounds and fight for two belts at once, and get paid six million for doing it.

When he made six million for Leonard, it tore me up, writes Atlas in the HarperCollins published book, It made me murderous.

Ten percent of six-mill is certainly a nice payday any day of the week, and while Atlas was left without a cent of it, Lalonde does wish he had divvied it up a bit different. After the split, Wolf suggested to Lalonde that the duo of Tommy Gallagher and Bobby Cassidy might be the best match training wise. They worked together at the time, said Lalonde. I could always punch and after Tommy and Bobby spent about 6 months with me my confidence was at an all time high going into the fight against Mustafa Hamsho in N.Y. [his home town] at the Garden, in May of the following year. After that I won the World title, defended it and the fight with Ray Leonard came about. Bobby Cassidy was really most significant in that run of fights as a trainer. Tommy Gallagher was part of the team, definitely part of the whole in respect to trainers, a much bigger part than Teddy, but I connected most with Bobby and his past experience as a pro fighter and his style as a trainer was VERY helpful to me. If there was anyone that independently earned that $600,000 that Teddy feels he was entitled to it was Bobby who didnt get any because he was not available at the time for personal reasons.

Tommy was very instrumental in making the Leonard fight. He helped Dave in a sense of a manger as it relates to that fight, and in retrospect really should have been paid by Dave from his managerial end. He trained me for the Leonard fight but it was Bobby who really got me there as a trainer.

If I could take it all back I would love to have given that $600,000 to ALL of these men proportionately because they were all a necessary part of the whole.

It was his relationship with Gallagher that Lalonde believes is the true heart of the rift between them. He knocks Tommy as "some ex cop" as my trainer. Tommy did more for me and my career than Teddy would even know needed to be done. When Teddy was with me he was a kid. He was trained by Cus D'Amato to be a trainer but Tommy was a fighter, NY GG be it, but still a real man and a fighter, not some wanna-be that uses his past with one fighter as an assistant, that 25 years later is still his claim to fame. Tommy and Bobby trained me to a championship and Teddy can't stand it.

I think that he is so upset that his favorite fighter, a person I liked very much and we had a lot of good times together, Chris Reid, wasn't a success in the ring like Teddy thought he would be. It killed him that I was a success and he and Chris were not. I cried when I heard about Chris's untimely death, he was a wonderful person who, if it wasn't for Teddy, I would have most likely remained friends with until his death.

Lalonde refutes just about everything in the chapter written about him from being accused of being a con-man In regards to my being a bleach blond and a fake and a con man, other than the blond, he sounds like exactly what he accuses me of. Teddy, I was a fighter before and after I was trained by you. I did more in a boxing ring than you could even dream of accomplishing. For a guy as injured as I was I am very proud of my accomplishments in the ring. Teddy Atlas can not take that from me, no one can.

On Atlas as part of the ESPN crew in Winnipeg for Lalondes last career fight In Winnipeg he was very invisible. I guess he was obligated so he was there but he didn't talk to me ever. He attempted to minimize my career as much as possible and what was actually happening in the ring was never really referred to, he did a very minimalist job that day just to get through. I regreted agreeing to him participating in the telecaste as I knew that no matter what happened he would try to hurt me and he essentially did with his comments in a very subtle way. No problem, with one eye I left him an opening and he took it.

On running into Atlas in Las Vegas for Michael Moorer-Evander Holyfield championship fight.. I was with my wife at the Moorer-Holyfield fight. I saw Teddy and was just happy for him and at the same time you could say proud of him for what he had accomplished as a trainer. Remember he was about a 30 year old kid when he trained me. I was happy for him. He trained the heavyweight champion of the world. Has to be the ultimate goal as a trainer? I was happy for him. I had accomplished all I could have dreamed of in teh sport and had been retired at that point. I thought and said to me wife, "who knows how he will respond but I want to congratulate him". I walked up to Teddy and said, Teddy congratulations, I am so happy for you.

He turned around like a raging maniac and went into some tirade about not wanting to shake my hand. I didn't really hear what he was saying, he didn't realize it was me that he was shaking hands with. When he did, he went off. I said I am sorry you feel this way in such a high point in your life and walked away. I really feel sorry for him. He was always off the wall but I still hoped the best for him.

To fighting stiffs The reason I fought some stiffs when I was with him is a direct result of what he DID to me as a fighter, look at my career before and after and you can see it was much better ANY time I wasn't with Teddy. Sorry Teddy but the proof is in the record books. I was the Champion of the World!!

To fighting a SHOT Eddie Davis The SHOT Eddie Davis I fought had won 7 since narrowly losing to Michael Spinks and lost 1 to Marvin Johnson before I fought him and Michael won 6 fights against heavyweights after Eddie beat him. According to the record books Edie was 36 years old and prime for a victory. For a guy as limited as Teddy suggests I was, I sure got lucky.

While he admits that Atlas did get under his skin a bit, Lalonde says he is very happy with his life right now and wishes his former coach the same. I congratulate Teddy on his success as a trainer, I was very happy for his family and I hope he gets the psychiatric help he apparently needs.

I sincerely think he is delusional or desperate to sell books or for some reason he has this against me and can't get over it. I hope he does one day, it must be terrible to feel this way and actually believe the BS he is saying which it sounds like he does. I live on a beach, raise my wonderful children, have been married 15 years happily and look back on my career with great pride and I enjoy the memories so much.
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Seriously. Thanks for that info. I had no idea

rodney · Apr 24, 2008

Hopkins won the fight plain as day 115-113.
I have never seen Calzaghe miss or fall short with so many of his punches.
You have to land to score.
Hopkins displayed much superior boxing skills and hit the target much more often.
Does anybody on this post understanjd boxing.???
Doesnt look like it.

D_knowsboxing · Apr 24, 2008

Read my posts Rodney... D knows boxing<------:deal

Leeroy · Apr 24, 2008

ThePlugInBabies said:

compare the difference in speed even between the lacy and kessler fights and you'll see that it's decreasing.
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Yup, and for anyone to say othewise have not watched many of Calzaghe's fights. The difference in speed was apparent in the first two rounds.

LeadLeftHook · Apr 24, 2008

youngmonzon said:

Last night at the end of Wednesday night fights Teddy Atlas analyzed the Calzaghe / Hopkins match. His analysis was right on. Key points.

1) Calzaghe won clearly. Split decision was a joke. Anyone who actually watched the fight could see that Calzaghe won, going away.

2) Hopkins was faking low blows not just to get his wind, but also because Calzaghe had broken Hopkins down MENTALLY AND PHYSICALLY.

I watched the fight again and Atlas is absolutely correct. Without the breaks it is very likely Calzaghe would have stopped Hopkins in the 11th. Even with the fake breaks, if the fight was a 15 rounder, Calzaghe would have stopped Hopkins inside the distance.
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Hopkins was getting tired from holding and throwing 2 punches per round he showed his age. Stopped Hopkins, you must be kidding? Did Joe even land anything of substance in the course of 12 rounds?

youngmonzon · Apr 25, 2008

McManama said:

youngmonzon you are dumb. JC was never going to TKO BHOP ever. Even if he began to assault BHOP, he would just get clinched. JC has minimial power. He can't hurt any boxer with a chin.
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He can't hurt any one with a chin? How about Lacy? He has never been stopped and was down against Calzaghe and very hurt throughout. Kessler has never been hurt and was hurt against Calzaghe. Eubank went down twice against Joe. It is nonsense to say Calzaghe can't hurt fighters with a chin.

Hopkins would not have been able to clinch if he did not take the break through faking. He was too exhausted. The TKO would result due to exhaustion and punches.

marting · Apr 25, 2008

Thread Stealer said:

http://www.fightnews.ca/2006/news/lalonde20060612.htm

Fightnews recent interview with ESPN commentator and trainer Teddy Atlas has drawn quite the reaction from fight fans all across North America. ....

Generally speaking I performed poorly when I was being trained by Teddy as his focus on negativity had reduced my overall confidence in myself.
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Great story. I had never heard about this but it only confirms my belief that Teddy Atlas is an ******* of epic proportions.

I think the last line pretty much sums up what I think he has to offer a fighter. The amazing part is that a fighter hasn't knocked his teeth down his throat.

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