Teddy Atlas suggests Brook GGG fight was fixed - My thoughts on the fight

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  1. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    This is what Teddy had to say

    "So then when you see the fight get stopped and some people thought it was stopped quickly. Look, there is no doubt that Golovkin was starting to take over that fight. I agree with that. But still you can make an argument that when Kell Brook got hit with that last punch he put his arms out like 'what are you doing, I'm okay.' He wasn't really greatly affected, although he was starting to be dominated.

    "The fight got stopped really quick, but the thing that I found really curious, to be honest, is that almost immediately they said 'oh his eye, his eye.' And then from what I heard, if it's accurate, somebody said in the ring that he had a broken orbital bone. How do you know that your fighter has a broken orbital bone until you get to an x-ray machine? It's impossible to know that.

    "So it makes you wonder did they have that injury in camp and then were they prepared because they had that injury to stop the fight as soon as it got perilous. That would speak for a move in the line, that someone got that information."

    Now I don't believe it was an outright fix, but Brook and his team never had any intention whatsoever of take any serious punishment, and brook always wanted out as soon as he got hurt. This is why he was overly gesturing towards his eye every chance he got. When Pauli got his eye socket broke against Cotto you would never know, simply because he had every intention of sucking it up and getting through the fight.

    Even Bernard Hopkins on commentary mentioned that Brook told his corner that he didn't want to continue. So all this ''brave brook'' and ''but but he wanted to continue it was his corner that threw in the towel' talk can go flying out of the ****ing window, because he never wanted anymore of GGG, he was relieved that his corner quit on his behalf to save him some face.

    Don't be fooled by the pr, this was always an opportunity for a big pay day while at the time doing what they could to give the fans a little excitement to make them believe brook could dance along with the very best. For Brook, this was a lottery win win situation where he could pretend to be the hero even though he lost so long as he was capable of surviving a few good rounds and putting up some resistance in the process

    But you can't decieve those who know of all deceivers and this was a Eddie Hearn 101 deception rather than an agreed rigged fight between two parties because this was very real for GGG to which he used to play his own game. The same thing with Liam Smith who was out of his depth for Canelo yet some idiots from brit land thought he had a genuine chance, yet still he is launded as being brave and courageous for taking a big pay day lol

    Luckily for Brook GGG was more than willing to oblige to the occassion and was more than willing to give the casuals a little spectacle and provide than with a false glimmer of hope that Brook had a chance in the fight, when in reality it was a mismatch of epic porportions.

    There is a reason why GGG announces that he would give the fans a big drama show, to provide entertainment and that's one of the reasons why he went complete gung ho, dropped his entire boxing repertoire nd decided to fight with his face while head hunting. On one hand he wanted to provide openings for Brook to come forward and give him false confidence and another was to give false confidence to his cowardly rivals in his division who up until were unable to hold their pens steady enough to sign the contracts presented by GGG.

    Notice now we have guys like Jacobs, BJS, even Broner crawling out of the woodwork to talk **** about GGG. They'd never would have had to the gall to do it if GGG simply blasted Brook out with superior boxing skills mixed with predatory ko instincts like he showed against Lemieux

    As for Brook, I respect him as a fighter, but as a man he took the easy way out he was giving his corner every reason to throw in the towel.

    Add to that I would like to see when this surgical operation is going to be undertaken for this alleged broken eye socket which usually requires stiches and immediate surgery following the injury and considerable time away from impact which was the case with PaulI Malignaggi and it's now been nearly a month since the fight fight happened

     
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  2. BCS8

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    Couple of points.

    1) Even the fight commentator was saying that it looked like a broken orbital, and that's from the commentary box
    2) Not all orbital breaks are the same. Some guys obviously had minor fractures that didn't overly interfere with a continued fight. Other guys like Sapp against Filipovic, for example, suffered what was an incredibly painful and debilitating fracture.
    3) They were right to stop the fight when they did. Brook was shipping cannonades, and there's no point in doing a Golota / Bowe in the hopes of some miraculous win. Brook could have been seriously facked up there.
     
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  3. fistsof steel

    fistsof steel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Having a broken Orbital against a puncher like Golovkin could have been fatal if he continued.....the right decision was made...Brook will fight again...and from what is witnessed it wont be the last we see of Him has a lot of Class.!!!!
     
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  4. james5000

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    Tough one but the trainer did his job and kept Kell from taking further punishment.

    I don't believe he would have lasted so long if he had the injury prefight tbh
     
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  5. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    Only Pauli called it on being broken, the other commentators suggested he simply had problems with his eye and was most likely going to close up.

    I doubt the corner knew it was broken. What should have happened is that the doctor should have been called in during the fight to inspect his condition.

    I am not saying it was not right that it was stopped, I'm merely questioning the basis behind the intentions of it being stopped considering they had no way of knowing it was broken
     
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  6. Flamazide

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    The fight didn't seem like it was fixed. I will say that the judges seemed to be biased for Brook since one judge had it scored towards him and the others had it a draw at the time of the stoppage and the knockdown GGG had was ruled a slip.
     
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  7. Angler Andrew

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    It was a good stoppage,GGG came out with bad intentions in the 5th,the pure violence of the man is truly something to behold?

    I agree with the comments about GGG using the occasion to give hope to those weak minded fools who duck him in his own division,we all saw how he boxed against Lemieux,you really think in a year he's forgotten how to box lol?
     
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  8. titanic

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    Move on guys. GGG is better than Brook no matter how we stir the fight. Brook's trainer was the one who stopped the fight knowing than Brook had enough punishment and can only take so much from GGG.
     
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  9. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    In total agreement, one thing I will add is i could tell brook wanted out almost immediately. Round 1 he got hurt and probably injured, round 2 he gave every single thing he had, which BTW was very little. How any of those judges could give brook more than round 2 are corrupt.

    And that "SLIP" at the beginning of round 2 was as clear as kd can be
    Simple grazing lefthook dumped brook, guess they count only what they want. Total.mismatch.

    I had khan putting on a way better performance and even then I struggled too much to hand khan more than 2 rounds.

    Khan took the fight to win and become the man, brook took the fight because he was losing his next fight no matter what..

    I guess it's less a career hit losing to the "larger" ggg than it wold had been losing to first and only elite fighter he ever fought.

    Ggg or spence.... they are both on totally different levels than brook and it wouldn't had been a possible feet to beat either. Now, if he fights again he'll try 154, Spence can fight there too but useless fight.

    Brook should let his eye "heal" salt water ? Then in a goos year or so fight khan @154, be a huge domestic fight. I used to favor brook and had false thoughts on himy. I really listened to too many morons on here, hook, line and sinker I bought of him being a top 2,3 ww

    Khan will whoop that man st 154. He'll target the eye that brook made like it fell out so his corner could stop it or begging the ref to take him to the dr. So he could tell him.im.seeing 5 of them or.my eye is blind.

    He was running a way pawing consistently b
     
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  10. Wardke

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    Reading this nonsense makes me think Teddy goes by the alias Nay_sayer on this boards and he's a ****ing troll
     
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  11. kobashi

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    Hi Amir...

    You really are bitter... Grow some balls and fight Kell Brook. Looking forward to seeing kell knock you out.
     
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  12. TheFuriusWon

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    He wasn't gesturing about his eye. He was trying to 'fix' the eye sight problem he had where he was seeing multiple Golovkins in front of him, but it just looked goofy with a big ass glove.
     
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  13. Woodster

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    I don't think this was fixed at all, he was losing control of the fight, he was struggling with his eye and the only outcome that looked probable was Brook was going to get knocked out. When you step up in weight and are not used to the bigger punchers, he could well have suffered a damaging knockout like Amir did against Canelo.

    It was a pragmatic stop from Brook's corner and he lives to fight another day and now possibly drop down a weight and re-establish himself!
     
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  14. Staminakills

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    You think brook would fight khan if ot when he comes back ? Losing back to back is tough
    I'd pay for khan v brook at 47 or 54 all day
     
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  15. Staminakills

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    Did you just say he was "trying to FIX" his eye during rounds 3 -stoppage every chance he got, meaning when ggg wasn't punching him.

    Ggg told everyone how he wanted an exciting war and he was going to fight strictly for the ko, street fighting.. nobody believed him, including myself

    But that's exactly what ggg did, I truly believe ggg thought brook was going to be much stronger, in the clinches but more importantly, he thought brook was bringing power, he should of had tons of power, when.you build up right you should be stronger in every facet, excluding toughness, chin and heart of course.

    Back to khan, i thought he was, is a great fit for jmw with everything except that chin... not many at 54 land that cleanly on khan and many at 54 wouldn't be able to adjust to his speed and use their timing ALA. Canelo
     
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