teddy atlas..

Teddy has been in more problems than Tyson, and he always slides.
Years after the gun situation, a story was written by Wally Mathews and Michael Katz. Atlas, then close to 40, and Tyson, in late 20's, saw each other back in dressing rooms at Garden. Writers bragged how Atlas 'Stared down Tyson" and how "Tyson meekly looked away, then walked away." Atlas had "Shown the bully.." WTF!!!!!! Atlas needed a gun when Tyson was 15, but at 28 Tyson could be taken? And what was Tyson supposed to do?

If he goes up to Atlas after staredown, and knocks him out, he's an animal, out of control..... So he walks awy, and tey make like h's a punk, and Atlas is brave. Tyson can't win, especialy with Atlas, since Teddy is media ***** from way back.

 

So Hank, are you saying that that incident with the girl and the gun happened during a three day span between June 27th and the 29th of 1982?

 

You are 100% right. Kirk Johnson--Atlas had 4 guys with him. Also he beat up a fan at Madison Sqaure Garden, 1997 I think, again with an entourage helping him. Two suspensions by ESPN.

I also am amazed that people now think Atlas trianed Tyson. He had minor role, that's all. He is not even half-way good trainer, that and his attitude is reason he has not been hired to train in years. He'll say it's cause of morals, but what, no one fighting has morals???

 

No, you are probably right, if I was sure on exact time I'd say so. If you are correct he was 16 and a month, something like that.

 

Atlas definitly helped train Tyson their is videos of it. Atlas claims he looked after him when Cus wasnt around and was his main trainer and the D'Mato camp says he was lower down and only helped out. I have no reason to believe Atlas was lieing as he probbaly was one of the lower trainers but there was fighters who were more important than Tyson at the time so i think Teddy was probabl training Tyson as he was one of teh lowest trainers.

The incident with Tyson when he was 16 and Atlas's sister in law who was around 13 at the time. Will probably never be found out if it was an ass grab or something worse. It was Atlas's family so you can see why he would have been pissed. But reading alot of reports on Tyson he seemed to be a bully and try to show people who was boss. So i belive Tyson did thsi to show Atlas he was in charge. Atlas probably did threaten him with the gun as Teddy has a bad temper but i dont think he could kill Tyson.

After the incident Teddy never metioned he left the D'Mato gym he says that Cus basically fired him and gave him a pay off and told him to basicaly **** off and never come back.

You can see why Teddy hates Tyson as Teddy drove him and Cus apart. In his book Teddy often mentions taht he hopes he made Cus proud by his training and commentating and obviously still liked Cus and looked for his respect. But he also feels let down by Cus so you can see why he says the bad stuff about him but he has serious respect for him.

As for the stories about LaLonde. Lalonde dumped him and left him with nothing. He betrayed him and Teddy had nothing. That would make alot of folk mad but Atlas had a bad temper so probably overreacted here.

As for fighting George Foreman i think it was mind games.

I remember reading his book where he bails out Shannon Briggs in a street fight. They were fightiong together and he didnt want Shannon hurt so he let Shannon get away as he and afew guys held teh guys off then got chased by gys with guns.


hoope this clears up afew things

 

Teddy did and still does in many places have enemies, i remember the brawl he was engaged in at the Tyson v Holyfield 1 weigh in when something kicked off majorly in front of 5000 people at the MGM.... The gun incident was purely Teddy seeing the unwritten blood is thicker than water code.. He wanted Mike suspended from the gym for being too hands on with his neice .. The Gun was the only tool Mike probably understood at the time, he was a handful and needed to be straightened out for his improper actions.... Teddy did know standards and had high morals, and his relationship with Cus could run hot and cold... I think there were some bad feelings deep rooted between Mike and Teddy, and it wasn't all to do with the gun incident... Teddy just knew that Mike always got away with too many things ...

 

Teddy overeacted with La Londe? La Londe was in top 10 when he came to Teddy, and in one year, went nowhere, and was geting abused verbally in gym last few months, so he fired him. Planning to murder La Londe is 'Overeaction?"

Video's on youtube are nothing. Atlas was allowed to work corner few fights, and did nothing great. How did he help Mike? '


You believe Shannon Briggs needs Atlas to help him in street fight?
:rofl

 

In his next biograhy, Atlas will tell of tme he beat up Spider Man in a street fight.

 

Teddy gets away with worse. Fight was at Holyfield Moorer 2, it was with former feather weight amateur Rciky Salazar, who was working press at fight. Atlas had once trained him, and had called him coward and other things to people. Salazar turned pro after Atlas dumped him after an amateur loss, saying Salazar was coward, and was not sincere.
Twice Salazar needed surgery after suffering broken jaw bones as pro. He made comeback after first surgery, was forced to retire after second injury.
Brawl at press conferance stemmed from their long simering feud. It was not really brawl, they exchanged words, Atlas and Salazar mostly grabbed and wrestled briefly, Moorer took Teddy and put him over securty ropes to get him out of way, if you saw video.

 

Atlas did overreact with Lalonde but look Lalonde just left Atlas but promised him alot he just one day signed with a promoter and told Atlas to **** off really never consulted him first and even i think told atlas he wasnt going to sign for a new promoter. Atlas being Lalondes trainer wasnt the cause of him egtting noweher it was the promoter.

I know he did a few corners with Tyson and not many more. But he was one of the lowest trainers in the gym and their was more important fighters than Tyson in the gym like world champs. so Rooney and D'Mato were focussing on the champs it is only logical for Atlas to help out traing with him quite alot.

Also i dont say Shannon Briggs needed his help but Atlas made him run away as he didnt want him getting hurt

 

GPater, La londe ever told Atlas to **** off. He just left, with Dave Wolf, who had hired Atlas (Wolf had bought La Londe's contract after he left Canada. Atlas wasn' tshowin ghim anything, and was screaming at him in gym. Also, Atlas was saying he was weak mentally, a she does with everyone. La Londe had pin in shoulder from surgery, and had trouble using left arm some days. Atlas called it an excuse. La Londe had success after hiring Tommy Galagher and geting away from Teddy. He had also had success in Canada. Only bad spot in carreer was time with Atlas.


D'Amato was not training any world champs by time Atlas and Rooney came along. It was all amateurs, maybe an occasioal low level pro. There were champs who would train there, but it would be with their own trainers, not D'amato or anyone else. Cus would let them use facilities as a courtesy, and to give kids a chance to meet pro fighters. Managers, trainers, and fighters like dit cause Catskills are country area, over na hour from new york city. Fresh air, country setting, all that.

 

suppose your right about LaLonde

your right about D'Amato aswell there was no champs but again Tyson wasnt always the most important so of coursse Tedy would have trained him quite afew times.

For Example: In the gym i fight out of him there are 4 trainers of course i get trained by some more than others but i normally atleast train with all the trainers once a month and i belive tyson would be the same

 

I'd like to see Tyson and Atlas debate it, from seperate studios. It would be interesting.

 

from the same one would make better TV

 

No i didn't actually see the video of the Salazar incident, i was at both fights and the incident was before Moorer v Botha and Tyson v Holyfield 1 at MGM , not Moorer v Holyfield 2 at mirage.. I am unsure what the skermish was about but i do remember Teddy ending up on the floor and a lot of screaming and punching going on.. I was with a friend who was on the undercard and it unnerved him because of the way no one tried to stop it for a good solid minute.. It was just after Akinwande and Zolkin had started to get near to the scales... Lots of problems arose that weekend , Sterling Mcphereson almost had a fight at the media conference with some thug who started heckling him as he was introducing his fighter Francois Botha.. I remember Sterling being very vocal and wanting to fight with the guy (a Mike Moorer training partner ) who got too vocal about Franz getting knocked out... I was also at the weighin for Moorer v Holyfield 2 , but really didn't see any fight, Freddy Roach was with Michael for that one.. so i don't know what fight you are speaking about......... who was Teddy with.?