teddy atlas..

Bigcat is dead on right. Here's a few other gys who fired or had trouble with Atlas:

Simon Brown, weterweight champ, won title with Pepe Correa as trainer, his managers bought into the Teddy nonsense, hired Teddy, fired Corea. Two fights later, they fired Atlas.

Tyrone Trice, number one welterweight contender under Kronk gym. Mike Jones, Atlas friend, bought his contract, and hooked him up with Teddy. Three days--yes, 3 days, and Trice and Atlas were done. Atlas said Trice had no courage, as he sid about Brown.

Trice and Brown went on to have two great title fights, one was Ring Magazine fight of the year. Atlas probably watched it at home.

Amateur fighter Roosevelt (Robbie) Wiliams. He was boxer in Gleasons, switched to Atlas when he enntered Golden Gloves, and won. Then the feuding started. Robbie was young, ws starting college, and working. Atla ssaid he needed more time in gym. When Robbie took 2 days off, Atlas and him had big argument. When Robbie, a lightheavy, was walking in back of gym, Atlas attackd him from behind, it was broken up as they wrestled on stairs. Atlas said Williams was ungrateful, and had no
charactor. (HNC) His name should be Teddy "They have no charactor " Atlas.

Ricardo Salazar, amateur. Entered by Atlas into NYC Golden Gloves, sent by Atlas to weigh in on wrong day. Switched weight category, then got out of gloves. Was entered by Teddy in ABF ( big New York City tounrey) and made finals. For finals Atlas could not work corner, he was in Canada for La Londe vs a stiff. Salazar showed up with a fever, had burned self in accident at home. Slight burns, he insisted on going through with fight. He lost tough decsion, got beat by strong guy, took a beating at some points. Atlas heard he lost, said HNC. They split few months later. Salazar is person he brawled with at Moorer Holyfield Press conference years later.

There are more, but I'm tired of typing, and if anyone doesn't get it by now, they just don't want to get it.

 

Bringing up the Atlas training mob members for free reminds me of something else. He trained Elvir Muriqui for quite a while and Muriqui was a mob controlled fighter. All the while Atlas was on ESPN railing against corruption in boxing yet you cant tell me he didnt know he was training a mob fighter. Its all about character right teddy?

 

graet point, and did you know, he had Tori Locascio in corner with him? He is son of Gotti's codefendent, and is in prison now himself. Albanian mobsters were close to Teddy, like Zef Mustafa and his brother. Zef went to prison also.

This brings up story of girl. Atlas said it was his wife's cousin or sister. Well, Zef Mustafa is his wife's cousin too, so girl was Zef's reletive. If Tyson had really molested girl, those Albanians would not be sitting around crying.

And again, media gives Teddy free ride. Klomton, there are a lot of aspects to what you bought up. ESPN knew guy in corner, manager of Elvir Murqui was Locascio, said nothing. Media knew it, said nothing. And of course, Teddy knew it.

I have no problem with a guy having friends wiht records, or street guys as occasional pals or whatever. It happens. But DON"T be screaming on air about corruption, and pointing fingers like a rat, weasly, stool-pigion mother****er.

 

Thanks for the info Hank. I've always felt that Teddy Atlas was a phony just by reading his book.

 

What the **** do you think commas are used for, you ****ing cretin?!

 

Being a convicted ****** still doesn't mean he was guilty(which I absolutely don't believe & shall never believe unless there is video or Tyson says it, which he has never done) . Ask the Duke Lacrosse team or Kobe Bryant how helpless you are when you are falsely accused by some supposedly virginal inncent teenage girl.(One who was busted with 3 or 4 different seminal fluids in her panties)
In Dallas county Texas alone(one county)approx 21 me have been exonerated from harshly long prison sentences due to DNA since 2001. Hundreds of other cases are to be reviewed from that county in the future.

Washington & Kobe's accuser ,as we all found out,weren't as virginal as they claimed(nothing is wrong with that ,but it does prove they are liars). Washington also accused another High School 'boyfriend' of **** of which nothing came & she was caught lying about her public behavior with Tyson.

They acted like young groupies & got treated like it & were a bit disappointed & embarassed it seems when Tyson & Kobe were no longer interested in them .

I am not a Tyson fan ,but I have never & shall never hold that over his head.

I really don't see the point of further trashing Tyson in an attempt to exonerate Atlas who has issues of his own & thanks to HANK we have seen a more well rounded picture.

 

Atlas is someone who does overreact to situations from what I have read here on this topic, and this is something I now believe, but Tyson is a convicted ****** until proven otherwise this means there was a very strong case against him which I understand involved physical evidence.

 

Physical evidence? The man admits to having sex with this groupie who sneaked out of her hotel room to visit Tyson's at between 2 & 3 a.m. Unlike other groupies(who know the routine) she hoped for more than a quick banging & being kicked out of Tyson's room once he was done.

Evidence my ass. They didn't allow the jury to hear that she had falsely accused another man of the same thing in High School nor the 2 or 3 witnessess who pubiclicy called Washington a liar when she denied her & Tyson's raunchy public behavior.

The Duke Lacrosse Team, Kobe Bryant & the countless men who are being exonerated of **** through DNA in the USA everyday say Bull****.(Read up on Dallas County Texas DA Craig Watkins & how he has reopened hundreds of **** cases & freed 21 innocent men serving harsh sentences since 2001 alone.:scaredas: From one single Texas county. Tell those innocent men of the strong case against them)

Tyson was given the option of admitting his guilt after a year or so & apologizing ,but he absolutely refused to do so even though he could have been released from prison early. He got so angry recently said that he wished he had raped Washington her & her mother for locking him up for no reason (A vile thing to say but who knows how a man feels after being locked up innocently after three & a half years.)

Never said that Mike was a Womens Rights Activist & he seemed to be crude,straight forward in his behavior towards women & many loved it(like some guys I am sure we all know) ,but that doesn't make them rapists.

You know Atlas could have been also convicted of assault with a deadly weapon & battery of a minor(which carries significant time) , but he was let off the hook & just told to go away.

Bashing Tyson with a questionable **** conviction doesn't exonerate Atlas nor does it make his character any better.

 

My understanding was that Tyson was convicted on mainly physical evidence, obviously this means obvious signs of trauma that would support the **** case. Whatever happened in Bryant's case or another case has no bearing on Tyson's case, each individual case would have to be judged on its merits. Although Washington may have made a false accusation of **** before this has no bearing on Tyson's case which has to judged on the evidence at hand, this man was not charged or convicted with **** and it is hearsay evidence only.

Tyson has never bean able to appeal his conviction or have it overturned whatever he may have said he would stand to benefit financially from an appeal, if you say that Tyson would have earned thirty million dollars a year for the four years he was in jail and adding damages and interest on this sum we would be talking in the region of two hundred million dollars he could benefit from if he was to succeed.

I have no doubt Atlas told the truth about the Tyson incident whether he is an ******* or not.

 

Well Hank, I've read all of your posts in this thread and you have one admitted Teddy Atlas fan reconsidering.

Before you disturbed me (!), I attributed his extreme stories and behavior in corners as due to passion and perhaps a bit of imbalance (that many have). I have always cringed though, just a bit, when he brings up -in word or in print- stories about his fighters that they surely don't want publicized. He has slandered and libelled Tyson -but is it deserved? I think that it is, but wouldn't do it myself because it smells wrong. Loyalty -not only to those loyal to us but also to what once was -is also a virtue.

However, I do believe that he loves the sport and is an eloquent character who has attracted legions to it. The man does know strategy very well and has a sharp grasp of what boxing is... and he turns a phrase better than Bert Sugar.

What are your views about him as a public figure in boxing?

 

i agree with stonehands i used to like Atalas but now im not too sure he seems to be a bit of a *****. Although he still is a great commentater and a good strategist IMO

 

Haha. Yeah mate, great retort there! Shame it's completely redundant.

I've read the thread. It's very interesting and I have enjoyed many of your posts.

So now, any chance you can tell me what you think commas are used for?

 

Here is a link to Atlas promoting a video and training some footballers.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7042499594300246423

 

I dont believe Tyson raped Desiree. Ive read two books on the subject and a seen most of trial. It was a joke. Talk about being railroaded.