Tell me about Ali-Frazier II.

No matter what people say. Crazy talk about a draw or talk about even a Joe decision. Do not believe them. Go watch on youtube for yourself if you want.

It's an interesting fight but one that doesn't live up to either fights. Ali holds and spoils a bit, but dances the whole way through and lands enough to win rounds but not enough to excite. Although, he stuns Joe at one point. Joe doesn't really land much but Ali spoiled well. The ref lets Ali hold way too much, but we can't really fault Ali for this? It's important to note how the ref randomly gave Joe time when Ali stunned him... so the ref did a bad job for all.

I scored it 8-3-1 and have trouble accepting any cards that are at least 7-5 for Ali. And that's very very generous. I've heard a draw or Joe could have won. But it's all fanatical bull****. The second fights - scorecard wise is more decisive a fight to me. I enjoyed it being a fan of both fighters. I think Ali did a good job dancing and landed enough.

 

Well, it kinda' stunk..... Very tactical from Ali's stance..... Ali looked razor sharp...... Joe Frazier was controlled by Ali in 1974.... Ali won by scores of 8 to 4 over 12 rds.... Ali won easy...... Frazier whined later on, but it was to no avail......

MR.BILL

 

You're not missing much. It was a pretty boring fight.

 

Great scoring Bill. :good

Anyone that talks draw or Frazier decision is loony. Even 7-5 is a stretch.

Agreed?

 

Frazier fans will aver it was close/could have gone either way ,crap .Ali won it clearly, but did far too much holding.

 

ali always liked to lean on joe's neck .no wonder joe ended up with a bad back.as for being a boring fight.with joe frazier in it ?? i don't bloody well think so

 

i like frazier and i dont really care for ali ,but Ali won clearly the fight was boring ali should of been warned and had points taken away for constant fouling but the ref i think it was perez did bugger all as usual how he got big fights is a mystery to me

 

Ali built up a decent lead, Joe came on thru the middle & late rds but Ali was still winning rds & kept his lead.

Id say 8-4 or 7-5 Ali was a fair score.

Also, even tho it wasnt as good as fights 1 & 3 (which IMO were the 2 best fights in HW history so no shame there) it was a very good fight, a nice clash of styles, both guys were in good condition & ready, Ali looked a bit sharper than in 71 & Joe looked a bit slower but still sharp which probably explains the reverse in UDs.

Good fight as long as you dont expect a re-run of fight 1 or 3.... check it out.

 

Average fight, which would have been forgotten about as quickly as Paul Smith vs Tony Quigley, if it had been contested by Paul Smith and Tony Quigley. ps. Good decision. No real controversy.

 

what about when perez held the fight up when joe was hurt ??

 

i like frazier.he had a heart as big as any fighter.
ali is altogether different.
some of the things you read about him is great but other things leave you thinking the bloke was a twat.

 

This was the most one sided fight in their trilogy,imo. Not as exciting as the first,nor as brutal as the third. Muhammad Ali was fully focused on the job at hand,and in spite of him holding a lot,won by a substantial margin. If Ali had been in the same shape in Manila,he would have stopped Frazier earlier than he did. In Manila he underestimated his opponent. Not taking anything away from Frazier by saying this. I'm not saying that Joe would definitely have got knocked out if Perez had n't heard bells in his head too early,but you have to wonder.

 

Ali's heart was as big as Joe's,I think. As big a fan as I am of Muhammad ,though,I think that sometimes his ego would cause him to get carried away with some of his stunts. Mainly when his adversary was a threat,and his biggest threat was Smokin' Joe.