Tell me about naseem hamed

Maybe, but you are talking in a different context there. That's not comparing against Hatton.

Hatton went to the States, but did **** to put him above Calzaghe when he got there. That's merely a case of venue and not opponent. At least Calzaghe went over and beat Hopkins, albeit too late. Hopkins is more capable than anybody Hatton fought, aside from Mayweather, and we know what happened there.

 

Tam your gonna have to explain that ?? The heavyweight division is all but extinct in america but if Haye beats a Klitschko, he will fight in Vegas, theres no question of that .... The Vegas Casino deals destroy any rival bid for the truly top fighters .. If Haye is succesfull then he will have the rest of his career in the states because thats were the money is ..

 

TFFP we disagree on the rating of Calzaghe but i always enjoy having a debate with you and i respect your opinions .. Too many people on these forums resort to calling people names when they disagree with each other .. I hope that you and I can discuss various aspects of boxing in the future because i am very interested in your opinion ..

 

From what I read your saying basically a fighter doesn't get the recognition he's due or the hype until he's fought and proved himself in America? is this what you were saying?

I agree with you but just saying that sometimes there's an exception to that rule ie David Haye

 

Good my man!

I'm happy to talk boxing with people that want to talk seriously about boxing! Some people deserve a verbal beatdown, but thankfully there aren't many in the Brit forum :good

 

(1) And they were both beat...and beaten handily; if I was going to be cruel I would say they were outclassed.

What if Joe had fought and got beat by a "prime" "elite" fighter in or around his division? It doesn't do anything for him. It would have been nice to see Joe fight the best, bout after bout, but it didn't happen, and in boxing it hardly ever happens. He spent years dallying about, but then got his act together. He should fight Dawson next, if he fights, but even if he doesn't he still goes down in history as a better fighter than either Hamed or Hatton.

(2) I don't know what you are getting at here; you must know that most posters in the Brit Forum are knowledgeable types (hopefully me and TFFP are included in that), and that we don't just look up boxrec to get our facts. You think Hopkins won, thats cool and I can see were you might see that, but you must recognise that the consensus opinion is that Calzaghe pulled out the win. I think Calzaghe won, and it was a massive boost to his resume, but even without it he is still above Hatton and Hamed.

 

David Haye hasnt had the option of fighting in the states yet ?? If he beats a Kltschko he will have some serious offers, but nobody wants to see a 'Cruiser' in the states, over there its not a serious division, its considered a division were fighters dont have the balls to step up to Heavyweight .. Haye is a prospect but he has to make a statement

 

The general forum is a place were you cant have a disagreement with anyone without name-calling or bull**** .. You and I can disagree but we can debate, i appreciate that and your opinion makes me think which is exactly what i want from a forum of ideas .. I dont want a place that agrees with my opinion all the time .. Too many people take it as a personal insult when you disagree with them but i am always up for a debate on anything boxing related and TFFP i value your opinion as i do with alot of the brit-forum guys

 

It's been a decent division over there since Holyfield unified it, and to say Haye is a prospect is just ignorant to his achievements.

He may be a prospect in the Heavyweight division but to say that about his career is unfair and doesn't do him any justice.

Just to get back on topic, I'm not disagreeing with you. Haye probably will fight in Vegas at some point but right now he's one of the most hyped Heavyweights on the planet and ex undisputed Cruiserweight champion. He achieved this without going to America, but yet still people are excited about him.

 

David Haye is getting hyped, theres no question of that but until he beats Klitschko he wont be taken as anything serious in the states. What i mean by that is 'big money fights', Haye is a big name over here but he's a prospect in the states because he's a Cruiser stepping up to Heavy ..
He's done nothing to get the americans excited simply because he has been fighting in a 'dead' division .. Holyfield was a one off, an exceptional fighter that stepped up to Heavy but there hasnt been many more since Holy .. Haye is an exciting fighter but he has to beat somebody that will make the world sit up and Mormeck and Enzo dont cut it ..
He wasnt convincing in his last fight against Barrett and i find it a stetch to think he could beat either Klitschko with they're jabs ..
Haye is an unknown quantity at this point. Vegas wouldnt gamble on him at this point

 

This thread is pretty funny.... Especially the scottish fella who questions Hameds unquestionable legacy on the back of having to shell out 20 quid and feeling short changed.. ha ha.. Calzaghe is greater then Hamed or Hatton on paper. Its really difficult to argue now, however the empty super middle division, plus aged nature of all his credible opposition mean haters are always going to have serious ammo when it comes to bringing his fanboys down a peg or two. For me Calzaghe is an incredible fighter..... nice guy..... MINGING to watch, as was Carlos Monzon but he is very, very effective... I'll never be a fan of his fighting style but you do have to give credit where its due and he is very good.

 

After listening to the crap spouted by Eubank for years, the Brits were bored of the "super confidence" thing by the time Naz started coming to prominence.

He was undoubtedly talented and a bloody awkward fighter to face but he lacked a defence (eg. Kelley Fight) and it's a shame that he quit so readily once he'd been found out.

We Brits don't like cocky arrogance and Naz had bundles. Mind you, at least he had talent, unlike Fraudley Harrison.

 

what if calzaghe's next fight is against glen johnson and he loses on unanimously on points. He has one more fight afterwards against a euro level fighter and quits.

Wouldnt his career be on a par with Naz's ?

The main thing Calzaghe clearly has over Naz is longevity. And that will see Calzaghe walk into the ibhof - dont think Naz is in there although i might be wrong on that

 

I suppose its all a bit subjective, but I would still have him ahead of Naz based on the Hopkins win and the fact that he is a two-weight world champ.

 

Ok maybe I should have been more constructive with my criticism of Hamed and pointed out good points as well. But it doesn't change my opinion of him.

I've got no problem debating. If people had asked why I felt that way I would have answered but people just start typing disrespectful and abusive comments purely because I have a different point of view so I changed to that level also.

I can compare to when I debate Lennox Lewis. If people don't get Lewis fair enough. But when people start talking **** as I'm sure many of you will feel I have about Naz I also become derogatory as I and others here have.

On Naz. I was a huge fan. I didn't pay to see him twice to see Robin Reid!!I respected the wee man. I was 19 when I saw him live, close to hero worship I'd say. I just look back on his career, his legacy and think he should have been more, so much more, and when I look at his career and put it next to someone like Barrera's I realize I was betting on the wrong horse. He failed me as a fan, he quit and I don't accept that. Look at Hatton, regardless of what people think of him he gets back on his horse and goes after the p4p no1 again. I have a huge amount of respect for that. Naz dusted himself down and pretty much walked away.

I will always say Naz was a good fighter. But when I look back on his career one word keeps popping into my head and I can't help it. Hype.