Tell Me Where You Stand On These Classic Boxing Controversies

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  1. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    And most importantly, WHY!!!

    1. Was Ali vs Liston II a fix, was the KO blow legit?

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    2. SRL vs Marvin Hagler- Who won?

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    3. Meldrick Taylor vs Chavez- Should the fight have been stopped?

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    4. Arron Pryor vs Arguello I- Did Pryor cheat?

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  2. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    1. Pretty much agree, there have been a ton of books on it.

    2. I had it for Hagler but thats one of the most overblown robberies ever, Leonard just wasnt expected to do that well.

    3. Torn on this one but it wasnt Steele's job to be the timekeeper, he is there to protect a fighter in trouble and Taylor was in big trouble. I really really feel for Taylor though, he fought the fight of his life against arguably the best fighter in the world and to lose like that is heartbreaking. What could have been...

    4. No proof, all hearsay and thats what America was built on. But it certainly didnt look good.
     
  3. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    3. This is the most difficult one for me. He was obviously messed up, look at him today. At the same time, Steele could have let him have the win, but thats not his job really. I think its just a very raw deal all around.

    4. The proof for me is that water is water. If he prefered one water over another that is an indication that it had something in it.
     
  4. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    1. No

    2. Hagler

    3. One of the worst stoppages ever

    4. There's no way to prove it
     
  5. box03

    box03 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ali-Liston there was no fix involved he just caught him on the button **** happens. Hagler-SRL easy victory for Hagler I just feel the judges were amazed that sugar ray did that well against him Taylor-chavez is a tough one but if you watch the fight closely Steele asks him if he wants to continue and he looks over to his corner my guess is he was hurt and wanted to know how much time was left in the round Steele did his job like he said after the fight it only takes one more punch to do serious damage, and after seeing Taylor lately maybe the stoppage was justified.
     
  6. psychopath

    psychopath D' "X" Factor Full Member

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    What else can I say? I agree with all your stand especially on the M Taylor/Chavez fight . . . damn that was a real heart breaker for Taylor and his fans. :-(

    On Pryor/Arguello . . . there's nothing to prove it and it will remain as an allegation . . . but deep inside me I believe he did cheat.
     
  7. bmf95b

    bmf95b Boxing Fan Full Member

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    Give me the bottle, no not that one the one I mixed.......
     
  8. bmf95b

    bmf95b Boxing Fan Full Member

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    Taylor left most of his marbels in the ring that night,
     
  9. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    And if that is a direct quote, which I think it is, thats all the proof I need folks. :yep
     
  10. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    1. Agree with acb
    2. Hagler 115, Leonard 113 (I have no problem with somebody saying Leonard won)
    3. I am conflicted on this...always have, always will be. When I factor in some things, I side with Richard Steele. When I look at others, I side with those who say Steele should have let it go on.
    4. Agree with acb - Pryor didn't need to cheat to win the fight, but in my opinion, he did cheat.
     
  11. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    What was in it then??

    Coke, amphetamine, Gatorade??
     
  12. psychopath

    psychopath D' "X" Factor Full Member

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    :D :lol:

    :yep :good
     
  13. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    Its what it WASN´T that is important here, and that would be water.
     
  14. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    Elaborate. Many people believe this, Im just not one of them.

    I feel that if there was any shady business in the fight it was Liston just knowing the kid had his number.
     
  15. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    Could have been, could have just been all mental and it was a physcological device to fire Pryor up. Panama could have just said there was something in there. :D